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razor5
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posted September 21, 2008 10:35 AM |
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We need realistic hero models in H6 !!!
Ok,I made this thread because I consider some heroes from H5 doesn't fit on their picture with what they look on the adventure map.And I consider we need REALISTIC hero models in H6
Note : I know much heroes from H5 will be in H6,but this problem must be fixed,for me I don't want to see unealistic hero models on the adv. map
So I will start with the factions which have uncorrect hero models
I post one hero image per faction
ACADEMY
Galib's picture :
[img] [/img]
Academy basic adv. hero :
[img] [/img]
Look,Galib is a Djinn,the besic adv. hero which represents Galib is a human wizard ... so finally a human-wizard for a Djinn ?! 
HAVEN
Well,here we can't have mistakes,we can consider all heroes wearing a helmet when they are on the adv. map,but none of them is wearing a helmet in their picture
For now,ok at Haven
INFERNO
Problems here
Much adv. map Demon Lords doesn't fit with their picture
I will give an example:Marbas
Marbas' picture :
[img] [/img]
Inferno basic adv. hero :
[img] [/img]
Doesn't fit annything with Marbas
Here is a picture of a Mod which get Unique Heroes Models.And is Marbas' unique model :
[img] [/img]
And there is a comment:
"A War Dancer,for a Demon Lord?
For me,Marbas is better War Dancer than Basic Inferno Adv. Map Hero
FORTRESS
Here the basic adv.map hero doesn't fit all heroes' pictures,my example is Karli:
[img] [/img]
I don't have a picture with Fortress basic adv.map hero,but we all know what look the Fortress basic hero
NECROPOLIS
I gave Naadir for example.He is a ghost,but when you play with Naadir on the adv. map his Necro basic model is a Necromancer mounted on an undead horse,Naadir is not mounted!
[img] [/img]
[img] [/img]
I will continue with another factions' hero models tommorow or faster
If you consider I miss much uncorrect hero models or if the heroes who I post you don't consider correct
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alcibiades
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of Gold Dragons
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posted September 21, 2008 03:08 PM |
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I think we get the point ... No use in posting more pictures.
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GenieLord
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Legendary Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 03:13 PM |
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Check out this mod. I think it's relevant for what you're talking about.
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zamfir
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 05:16 PM |
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Yes, and see that it's only a MOD. I would install it and play with it for a few hours, because it's fun, but I wouldn't like to have it 'permanentely'. And certainely I wouldn't like to see unique hero models in HoMM VI.
There will be like 50 different hero models, and it will be a chaos on the adventure map. Different heroes from the same class look the same in order to simplify things and make them clear. I agree that male and femal heroes from the same class shoul have different models, but that's all.
I know it's sounds great to have unique hero models, but only because it's sounds cool it doesn't means it's good idea. It would no good in the game.
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razor5
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posted September 21, 2008 08:22 PM |
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Edited by razor5 at 20:30, 21 Sep 2008.
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@ GL and Zamfir
I know about that mod,but I open this thread not because I want a MOD for Heroes5,I open this because I don't want to have this basic adv.map hero models which doesn't fit with their picture
And in H6 it can be from the game,not from MODs
And if you saw good the picture with War Dancer Marbas is from that mod which you linked there
@Alci
Ok
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It would no good in the game
Why ? Because there will be too much diferences on the map ? Let map diferences to appear,I'm not talking only for my concept: Other's ideas ware to have not to have same colour type of buildings,or the not all creatures creatures (for example peasants) to look similar
example: If you are fighting against some stacks of swordsmen,their cloth don't need to be the same:A stack of peasants has blue cloths,another light blue,another to have it dirty ...
This I want to explain :
* On the map need to be diferences *
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 21, 2008 08:25 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 20:25, 21 Sep 2008.
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I disagree Zamfir, unique Hero Models won't be chaotic, they just have to keep the theme for a certain faction and everything will be fine
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zamfir
Promising
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posted September 21, 2008 08:37 PM |
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Edited by zamfir at 20:39, 21 Sep 2008.
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@Asheera:
Perhaps Nival can come up with such models, but it's hard.
However, the MOD makes things chaotic, especially since many heroes use small creatures models (remeber Nicolai).
@razor5:
I know you want this as a feature for H6, the MOD was just an example. Let's see if things go well in H5 (and as an optional=>MOD) before making something permanent in H6.
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 21, 2008 08:39 PM |
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Yes, that MOD makes it pretty much chaotic, because it also uses other faction's creatures for some heroes (e.g. Inferno Marbas uses Sylvan War Dancer)
But don't tell me that, example: Biara or Sovereign or Veyer are mistake-able on the adv-map You immediately spot out that they're from Inferno, because of their theme
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 09:06 PM |
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True. But I think that only a few heroes (important to the storyline, such as Agrael, Isabel) should have unique models. Though there should be a differance between the male and female heroes.
In my opinion the theme (i.e. certain model for a faction) is something that make's Heroes what it's supposed to be. A strategy. The individual models would make it more of role-playing game.
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xerox
Promising
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posted September 21, 2008 09:42 PM |
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They should just have all heroes with helmets and heavy armor on them - problem solved
No but I think it becomes to much "extra" work for Nival and that mod is horrible, I hate the heroes when they dont have mounts etc - they simply dont look like heroes anymore.
However unique models for females and males should exist.
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carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
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posted September 21, 2008 09:43 PM |
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uhm. Marbas is not a war dancer. From the pic it looks like this :
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 21, 2008 09:44 PM |
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Quote:
I hate the heroes when they dont have mounts etc - they simply dont look like heroes anymore.
So Demon Lords are not heroes, hmm?
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 10:08 PM |
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Demon Lords are okey but that horrible mod makes them look like creatures! A hero is not supposed to be a tiny horribly recolored War Dancer or Djinn....
Although I would a preffered demon lords that rided on demonic beasts or salamanders.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
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- John Stuart Mill
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razor5
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2008 04:26 PM |
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Ok,I understand only "important" heroes need unique models ,but some heroes really look unrealistic
Galib and Naadir (djinn and ghost) are showed on the adv. map as HUMAN WIZARDS and NECROS
Probably they can make a Djinn model for Galib (if he will be in H6),he really is unrealistic as a basic human wizard
For other Academy heroes like Razzak or other human wizards are ok the basic models,but for Galib or Nur are not
(and I don't reffer only at Academy heroes)
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jormungand
Adventuring Hero
The Hammer of Hate
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posted September 26, 2008 07:54 PM |
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Yes, and see that it's only a MOD. I would install it and play with it for a few hours, because it's fun, but I wouldn't like to have it 'permanentely'. And certainely I wouldn't like to see unique hero models in HoMM VI.
There will be like 50 different hero models, and it will be a chaos on the adventure map. Different heroes from the same class look the same in order to simplify things and make them clear. I agree that male and femal heroes from the same class shoul have different models, but that's all.
I know it's sounds great to have unique hero models, but only because it's sounds cool it doesn't means it's good idea. It would no good in the game.
Just look at the flag the hero's carrying and you know the difference... how hard
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valens4681
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 31, 2008 09:43 PM |
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I dont know why the inferno heroes doesnt mount anything, could it be a nightmare or a giant cerberus... you know, ¨ we are bad, we dont need to ride anything ¨ strangely their phylosophy its to ¨ punish the weak ¨
The Haven hero could ride a Griffin, the Warlocks a Dragon and why the Academy heroes ride an elephant? its sand here and there! it would be more useful ride a camel...
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 01, 2008 10:34 PM |
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All I want is different models for the male and female heroes.
In HoMM III heroes all conformed to standard templates regardless of what they were, but at least there were male/female models where applicable in the battle map (although not on the adventure map.)
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bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
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posted November 02, 2008 09:52 AM |
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Of course, this raises a very important question over Heroes graphics in general.
Should the graphics be as realistic as possible, or should it be more artistic. Should Ubisoft for their next Homm game use realistic graphics, or use Cel-shading.
I personally feel that Cel-shading is better. Think about it, You could have a number of different art styles to represent heroes, so why not create the game with that art-style as graphics?
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