|
| Thread: Confessions of an Economic Hitman |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 · NEXT» |
|
Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
|
posted December 08, 2008 05:42 PM |
|
|
Confessions of an Economic Hitman
This may be very interesting to view, and potentionally an eye-opener, to many people. This gives a whole different angle from which to view the global economic system. And I think it's quite important for as many people as possible to view.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Enjoy!
____________
|
|
del_diablo
Legendary Hero
Manifest
|
|
posted December 08, 2008 08:11 PM |
|
|
Truth is, capitalisme never worked.
____________
|
|
DagothGares
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
No gods or kings
|
|
posted December 08, 2008 08:12 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Truth is, capitalisme never worked.
True, mercantilism and communism has been proven to be much more effective.
____________
If you have any more questions, go to Dagoth Cares.
|
|
del_diablo
Legendary Hero
Manifest
|
|
posted December 08, 2008 10:24 PM |
|
|
Quote:
communism has been proven to be much more effective.
Truth is, we have never seen a proper communisme.
____________
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted December 08, 2008 10:46 PM |
|
|
Moonlith, lrn2summarize.  I'm not going to watch three 20-minute long videos.
Anyway, I took a quick look at the first one. It's no secret that the US has funded coups and assassinations. But I really don't see what this has to do with capitalism. You know, initiation of force is against the principles of capitalism.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
RedSoxFan3
Admirable
Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 12:10 AM |
|
|
He wants to democratize capitolism rather than its current imperialistic capitolism. The natural resources of one country should go to the people of the country who owns it. Not the US.
____________
Go Red Sox!
|
|
Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 02:21 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I'm not going to watch three 20-minute long videos.
Quote:
But I really don't see what this has to do with capitalism.
.... Duhr?
____________
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 02:29 PM |
|
|
Quote:
You know, initiation of force is against the principles of capitalism.
You know, there's this thing called reality, instead of idealism.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
executor
Famous Hero
Otherworldly Ambassador
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 02:47 PM |
|
|
Yes, and in reality it is not socialism but decency that stops one from initiating violence. Socialists can be corrupt too, you know.
____________
Understanding is a three-edged sword.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 02:49 PM |
|
|
You know, there's this thing called "I'm capitalist! Oh, thanks for the subsidies, war contracts, and bailouts! Yeah, we need to bail out capitalism... or something."
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 02:52 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Yes, and in reality it is not socialism but decency that stops one from initiating violence. Socialists can be corrupt too, you know.
I never said it can't be corrupt -- just look at the failed communism we had. What is the point I'm making, is that we can just as easily blame capitalism for corruption as we blame communism (with which I agree)... even if some say "that's not what capitalism advocates" -- well fine, corruption ain't what socialism advocates either
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
Totoro
Famous Hero
in User
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 03:50 PM |
|
|
No system works perfectly but for the present capitalism has been proven the best.
Capitalism can work just fine if there weren't those greedy corporations. This guy's point was that corporations must be stopped from exploiting other countries. That is what they get their power from and that is why the power and prosperity is unevenly shared. It is not democracy.
If everything was shared with fair deal for everyone things wouldn't be so miserable and complainable.
____________
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 04:09 PM |
|
|
I don't understand why you all think that corporations can't be corrupted -- this is the corruption of capitalism and exploit, just like the government is in communism, since otherwise socialism would be fine.
Just replace government with corporation.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 05:22 PM |
|
|
I agree with that I think. One can argue you simply need more decency, honesty and democracy in capitalism, but those traits reduce profits. It's a fact. You do NOT earn money by being honest and decent. Corruption and poor morals are essentially build-in in capitalism - you cannot afford to have high morals or ethics if you wish to be succesfull. That's my biggest quarrel with capitalism.
I heard some top executive wouldn't get his 10 million bonus this year.... 10 million...
Mvass, I always hear you pronounce how Capitalism is good because people earn money dependant on their productivity.... What's the average salery of an employee? 20K a year?
10 million bonus...
How can you possibly justify such things?
____________
|
|
Totoro
Famous Hero
in User
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 06:21 PM |
|
|
Quote:
this is the corruption of capitalism and exploit, just like the government is in communism, since otherwise socialism would be fine.
Yeah, capitalism would also be just fine if every big guy would be generous and would wish only good for everyone. Some of them actually are, but then again, some not. But I think it is better that way: To have corruption in some corporations, when in socialism you just need one corrupted government and things are all messed up.
____________
|
|
RedSoxFan3
Admirable
Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 07:54 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I agree with that I think. One can argue you simply need more decency, honesty and democracy in capitalism, but those traits reduce profits. It's a fact. You do NOT earn money by being honest and decent. Corruption and poor morals are essentially build-in in capitalism - you cannot afford to have high morals or ethics if you wish to be succesfull. That's my biggest quarrel with capitalism.
You don't have a clue how the world works. You can make money by working hard, honest, and decent by putting out quality product. America is built on small businesses, not big corporations, but on small businesses. And none of these would ever last if they didn't put out quality products and services.
I can tell you that there are big corporations out there that work hard to put out quality products and give people a better life. And they do it the right way. One that comes to mind is the farming equipment industry, like John Deere. Without their techonological advancements this world would be starving. You talk, but you know nothing.
You make me sick. You insult every person who has made an honest living as a businessman.
____________
Go Red Sox!
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 08:07 PM |
|
|
Quote:
You don't have a clue how the world works. You can make money by working hard, honest, and decent by putting out quality product.
Just how much is that? 10 million? Through hard work and honesty?
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
RedSoxFan3
Admirable
Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 08:09 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
You don't have a clue how the world works. You can make money by working hard, honest, and decent by putting out quality product.
Just how much is that? 10 million? Through hard work and honesty?
Do you know this person? Do you have evidence that this person did not work hard their entire life to make this kind of money? What sort of things did this person to do screw over everyone else?
Tell me please. I'd love to hear your answer.
Socialism is a lie that feeds off the jealousy of those who worked hard to become rich. You immediately assume that you are screwing over the little guy. I'm not convinced.
You want to take a look at china. Communism? There are big corporations in China and it's just as corrupt as America. I'd much rather have America as the world power than China.
My neighbor has told me stories about how people with high positions in China have had penthouse sweets as an office. Even though there are limited profits in China, doesn't mean the people on top aren't corrupt.
There will be corruption in any economic system.
____________
Go Red Sox!
|
|
del_diablo
Legendary Hero
Manifest
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 08:15 PM |
|
|
Quote:
]You don't have a clue how the world works. You can make money by working hard, honest, and decent by putting out quality product. America is built on small businesses, not big corporations, but on small businesses. And none of these would ever last if they didn't put out quality products and services.
What about Microsoft then? Consider the exploits and holes and bugs in their products, why are people using it? Oh wait, they achived monopoly and is straggleholding the marked.
Linux cannot be bought in any way, image a country that is impossible to highjack for a company. Oh the panic! I guess that explains alot
Quote:
I can tell you that there are big corporations out there that work hard to put out quality products and give people a better life. And they do it the right way. One that comes to mind is the farming equipment industry, like John Deere. Without their techonological advancements this world would be starving. You talk, but you know nothing.
What if John Deere had not been there? What european producer had replaced them and took their place in history?
____________
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted December 09, 2008 08:16 PM |
|
|
Yeah, Bill Gates worked and still works really hard -- let's compare him to some person who actually is working at MS now, a simple programmer that does all the job -- and is paid mediocre (compared to Bill) since otherwise of course he wouldn't stand a chance (make his own company), it's called competition and business.
I know one particular person who didn't work "as hard" if you logically take what someone rich earns and divide by what an "average" citizen earns -- and then you multiply the effort and hard work the "average" citizen puts by that factor, you should arrive at how much effort and hard work should that rich person put, but usually it's an order of magnitude higher than what he does.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
|
|
