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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 17, 2009 11:02 PM |
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Imba dwarfs, imba game !
Just finished game on random map 2m, i was Sylvan, my opponent dwarf. I get control over 5 zone from 8, buildup 5 town to +2000 gold per day, i get full knight set, many other nice staff ... My opponent control only 3 zones, still he get even more nice arts ... In the end i catch him with split ed army, comp say moderate danger ... Take a look at replay, were is the balance ? i done better game, better economy, better control over map, still luck to find arts and imba dwarfs are enaf to win a game ? or maybe i don't know to beat dwarfs ?
replay here
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 17, 2009 11:09 PM |
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Next clan season You need to be in team with Jinxer and mame him "balance FTW" 
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 17, 2009 11:10 PM |
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no need, this is my last game ...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 17, 2009 11:18 PM |
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If you ask me you lost to good flaming ballista, staff, one or two celerity rings and the best combination of runes  If dwarven units act first with rune of charge it's bad enough but aforementioned combination is a killer.
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted May 17, 2009 11:24 PM |
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Ah, the irony...
Captain Everything-is-balanced-in-this-game-as-is starts an imba thread! 
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Next clan season You need to be in team with Jinxer and mame him "balance FTW"
LOL
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 17, 2009 11:30 PM |
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But this is the pain - no matter what i do, if opponent get staff minus 20 to initiative, cloak of death, celerity ring, some runes it's gg ...  What is the point to play many hours, planing something and in the end arts decide the outcome of game ... Sound like nightmare to me ...
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted May 17, 2009 11:42 PM |
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I know it's frustrating, but don't take it too hard. Once in every 30-40 or so there will be a nightmare match, sith happens
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 17, 2009 11:42 PM |
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Don't play maps overloaded with those  Besides you can always ban the more powerful ones manually.
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 07:48 AM |
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Its pointless fighting staff and ring combo, usually I ask my opponent to send me a print screen and i surrender if i fight this combo, its hopeless can't move at all.
Sylvan in tote is good enough to fight dwarfs, because the arcanes can take down the magmas now. They're nothing too imba with them, but if they act first, they're imbalanced
Also the only way to beat dwarfs is to rush the hell outta them.
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diegis
Supreme Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 08:28 AM |
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Edited by diegis at 08:29, 18 May 2009.
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But this is the pain - no matter what i do, if opponent get staff minus 20 to initiative, cloak of death, celerity ring, some runes it's gg ... What is the point to play many hours, planing something and in the end arts decide the outcome of game ... Sound like nightmare to me ...
I'd expect good / experienced players to accept this. We all know situations like this are happening, sometimes often enought to think about "last game".
Can't remember how many times I complained about this one in particular, but found out that if I like the game (which I do) I have to agree what sq said and enjoy not only the final battle
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 09:49 AM |
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I told you Infinitus,that the Nival templates are full of so many relics and they are so poorly guarded,it's easy even for a novice with some luck to get them qucik and beat you. Don't give up the game yet, I'm working on a template now ,I hope it'll be done soon.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 11:06 AM |
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Infi, chill out - seems that you have forgotten the message in statistics  Let's say you had a perfect game and your average opponent lost in all aspects. Yet, he simply got lucky with arts, spells and incredible probabilities. Still you feel deserving the victory. However, even if your chances are 90%, there are still 10% cases when you are deprived of your legitimate win. That is 10 games every 100 - crude result of probabilities regardless of your superiority (i refer to dominant games).
The morale - look at this loss as concurrent element of game and understand that for any number of great performances you will be outmaneuvered by sheer luck
Ofc, luck element is greatly overestimated by Jinx and some others. In general, the game is won by skill trimmed with unavoidable accidents. Fortunately, such occasions are clearly a minority as proven by irrefutable evidence of highly diversified win-loss ratios among TOHers.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 18, 2009 11:16 AM |
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That and random maps have poor balance
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 11:18 AM |
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Fully agree with Strider here. Sometimes no matter what you do you just lose, the game(luck) decides that everything should go to your opponent and you may be superior as a player but still lose the game. The same thing counted in Heroes3.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted May 18, 2009 11:50 AM |
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I don't understand what's all the fuss about... you have smaller army, even though you caught him with it split... also you hero build is really bad, I think you would lose even without the staff. Just look at the numbers , he had more level 4 than you had level 3 and level 2.
I don't agree that you played better and deserved to win, from what I see in this replay, you actually played worse and deserved to lose. Dwarfs are generally slower than sylvan, in creeping, and they remain a little behind, but they compensate by strong final battle power.
Basically you managed to do, what was normal(be a little faster than opponent, because of town particularity), but there's no way you can say you deserved to win.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 12:17 PM |
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also you hero build is really bad
imbued balista is bad ? rain of arrow bad ? what is bad in my hero build ?
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Just look at the numbers , he had more level 4 than you had level 3 and level 2.
Not numbers decided this battle, he may not have level 4 at all and still win ...
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Basically you managed to do, what was normal(be a little faster than opponent, because of town particularity), but there's no way you can say you deserved to win.
Little faster ??? I was level 22, my opponent level 18 ... For 2m this is not a little faster but a lot faster ...
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted May 18, 2009 12:59 PM |
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4 levels are not guarantee for victory, and also not big difference.
And yeah, your skills are bad, rain of arrows, imbue ballista and especially luck. They are great if used properly, but this is not the case. Going into final battle, with only 2 favoured enemies and chain lightning as main spell is insane, as insane as taking luck when you are going to rely on your hero to do the damage for you, or buy Anger Treants instead of Ancient Treants.
Why don't you take Defense + Stand ground, maybe power of endurance also, 3 favoured enemies, Deep freeze(or Implosion), Swift mind, 10-12 Ancient Treants , and see how that works...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 18, 2009 01:03 PM |
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Well he could have owned you with rune of immunity or dwarven luck. Destructive is often a bad choice against dwarves. And for all the dwarven resource problems you didn't have much more army..
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Towerlord
Promising
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posted May 18, 2009 01:14 PM |
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Of course, destructive is worse than light configuration in the first place... but even the destructive configuration, as it was, it looked totally unprepared for combat, and with big flaws.
So, it cannot be blamed on Staff and other arties, when the whole game was misplayed.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 18, 2009 01:29 PM |
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For begin Infinitus is abit blind. Having lvl 22 vs 18 not say you did better game. He is dwarf....sure not log and sure you have. Its a huge advantage on rmg with alot teren with penalty. I dont know why ppl with sylvan expect every game to be 1st. Sorry but this will be totaly unbalanced ! I'm hapy here have staf and can change all and suprise ppl. I'm sure if he drop staf and get art for 2-4 att/def he will won again. Just his army/hero skills is better from your.
TowerLord: dont be so harsh to Infinitus. In real games you cant get all "good" skills. Your lvl up is based on guards aroud, spels and alot other factors. Jus this game Infinitus did less good choices maybe
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