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Lord_Woock
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Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted May 22, 2009 09:02 PM |
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I guess HC is our setting. Yes, we need mechanical themes. We've got QP counters so far, but something else would be good. Combat related keyword abilities are usually fun (like Wither and Exalted in recent memory), so if anyone has an idea for one of those, that'd be 
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Warmonger
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Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted May 22, 2009 09:11 PM |
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we need to establish what each color is doing in this set IMO
White - TOH
Blue - All concerning forum administration
Black - Modder's Workshop
Red - Volcanic Wastelands & spamfest
Green - Tavern of the rising sun & other side
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where will flavor come from
Quotes of members. Some of them sound wisely, others are funny or truly ridiculous. There's enough to choose from I believe.
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I guess HC is our setting.
We are still in some sort of hard fantasy setting, just using parts of HOMM universe when it's needed and makes sense.
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Lord_Woock
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Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted May 22, 2009 09:17 PM |
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we need to establish what each color is doing in this set IMO
White - TOH
Blue - All concerning forum administration
Black - Modder's Workshop
Red - Volcanic Wastelands & spamfest
Green - Tavern of the rising sun & other side
I think that's not quite what he meant what each color does mechanically, not what it represents flavorfully. Also, I believe such clear-cut color-forum divisions are unnecessary and misrepresentative. And apparently we intend to include some of the forums as Lands anyway, so...\
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We are still in some sort of hard fantasy setting, just using parts of HOMM universe when it's needed and makes sense.
Actually, I think it's been established before we separated from the other thread that HC=/=HoMM and we won't be including actual HoMM elements.
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 22, 2009 09:38 PM |
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Combat abilities... You mean something like:
Triple post - allows you to strike multiple targets but reduces your toughness. (I deliberately didn't mentioned specific numbers, because I suck at balancing)
This off course should be a spammer ability, which makes me think: maybe different kind of posters (spammers, OSM regulars,glade posters, back-seat moderators etc.) should each have some kind of ability. Unfortunately, I'm low on ideas right now, so I can't think of anything besides Triple post.
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted May 22, 2009 11:20 PM |
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Triple post is actually underpowered... and the defender chooses who blocks the attacks dealt to him... (creatures can only attack planeswalkers(the player is technically a planeswalker)) although that means its another Provoke...
Plus that means that your creature gets 3x the retaliation... since all N foes deal their damage...
absorb? Wither?
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted May 23, 2009 12:15 AM |
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How about comic up with Mechanics that aren't Activated or Static. How about a signal ability like Chroma? Like, Rudundant - Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard, destroy target blah for each penalty star on each creature you control. Or Flamer - For every red spell you play, put a inverse red star on target creature. Just examples, in no way actual cards. 
What about pre-existing mechanics being incorporated, like Wither and Cycling going in and out our cards?
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Lord_Woock
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Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted May 23, 2009 12:18 AM |
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Wither is a no-no since that'd mean two common counter types appearing on creatures (we already agreed on QPs).
Cycling is the most revisited non-evergreen ability ever, so I'd rather avoid using that unless someone comes up with an awesome twist.
EDIT: So, what of the Threads? Are those going to be a major theme? If so, then we have two major themes, one of them we know the rough shape of. I think current priorities should be fleshing out the Thread idea and coming up with some keyword mechanics, preferably at least one of them combat related. I suggest we try and make our themes intersect somewhat (but not to the point of inseparability).
It has already been mentioned that threads tend to expire and as such should have built-in sacrifice conditions.
Example:
Community Feedback 1WW
Enchantment - Thread
Community Feedback comes into play with a QP counter.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may gain life equal to the number of QP counters on permanents you control.
At the end of your turn, if you don't control a permanent with a QP counter, sacrifice Community Feedback.
Somewhat wordy and violates the apparently established rule that QP counters only go on creatures, but it gets the idea accross.
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Yolk and God bless.
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RTI
Adventuring Hero
Now known as Rarensu
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posted May 23, 2009 04:23 AM |
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Edited by RTI at 08:26, 23 May 2009.
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Exciting combat math is what makes magic what it is!
New Combat ability
Reusing cycling is fine! Sometimes you have a hole to fill and the best thing for it is a card that's already been made.
Reuse Real Magic Keywords
- A Summary Of Voted Issues So Far -
: Closed Issues :
QP Counters On Creatures PASSED
You Make The Card Text Format PASSED
Card Power Balancing (within the set) PASSED
Set Size 200+ PASSED
Less than 21% Multicolor PASSED
Forums as Lands PASSED
Moderators as Planeswalkers PASSED
Yellow Star Counters REJECTED
Color wheel shift REJECTED
Spammer Creature Theme PASSED
Threads as Enchantments PASSED
Light Mood PASSED
Realistic Average Card Power PASSED
One Counter Per Permanent Type PASSED
: Open Issues :
2-2 Uncommon Legendary creatures
1-1 Reuse Real Magic Keywords
2-0 New Combat ability
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted May 23, 2009 07:57 AM |
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I also fully agree with Anakrom.
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Rarensu
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Formerly known as RTI
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posted May 23, 2009 08:21 AM |
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Edited by Rarensu at 08:21, 23 May 2009.
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That's much better, but I'd still like to see
MOAR VOTING!!!
I'm looking at you, Sith Z and Warmonger! You aren't doing your democratic duty. The Proof is in the Charts!
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I also fully agree with Anakrom.
Ok, now that Warmonger is voting with Anakrom, the above Statistics have been edited.
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jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted May 23, 2009 12:10 PM |
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What about an ability like:
Critical - When fighting a creature with no QP and strength<4, this creature gets +2/+0.
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Quickposter - When this creature is attacking, it deals its damage before the defending creature(s). (so "first strike", but only on attack, and a bit fitted into the hc theme)
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Newbie-Defender - [TAb]: When this creature is not fighting in a battle and a creature with strength and defense each < 2 is fighting for your side, deal the opposing creature(s) {not sure how many} damage, before the combat damage is declined.
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted May 23, 2009 06:55 PM |
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Not to put some blanket over enthusiasm...
Critical is more like "When this creature attacks, if it has power less than four, it gains +2/+0 until end of turn."
Quickposter is is first strike no matter how you look at it.
The last one is just too complictated.
How about - Quickposter - Vigilance As long as this card has no red stars on it, it has vigilance. As long as it has a QP, it is unblockable.
The first ability will change, but unblockable will stay.
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Jiriki9
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Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted May 23, 2009 07:24 PM |
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Not to put some blanket over enthusiasm...
you're not gonna manag that  my enthusiasm is usually too big
...that brings me to an idea:
Enthusiasm: This card comes into play with two enthusiasm counters. As long as it has enthusiasm-counters on it, it will go back on your hand when it should die or leave the game.
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Critical is more like "When this creature attacks, if it has power less than four, it gains +2/+0 until end of turn."
no, you misunderstood what I meant, I fear...The strength < 4 is four the attacked/blocking creature without QP, representing, that the criticizers criticism would neither hit a post too good for criticism nor a member too reputated...or that's what I had in mind at last. And I've done far more complicated abilities for magic cards before.
I like your version of quickposter
...what about an instant named "Disconnect", putting a card somehow temporarily out of the game?
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Rarensu
Known Hero
Formerly known as RTI
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posted May 23, 2009 08:22 PM |
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Edited by Rarensu at 20:54, 23 May 2009.
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@Jiriki, disconnect is obviously an unsummon.
|Disconnect U
|Instant
|Return target creature to its owner's hand.
Here's a neat combat ability:
Reaction to N - XYZ (whenever this creature blocks or becomes blocked by an N creature, it has XYZ until end of turn)
Examples
|Quality Patrol 1W
|Creature - Human Knight
|Reaction to Spammer - Gains Double Strike
|2/2
|Temple Watchmonk 1G
|Creature - Human Monk
|Reaction to Attacking - Gets +0/+2
|2/2
|Sore Loser 1B
|Creature - Human Rogue
|Reaction to Power greater than 1 - Gets -4/-0
|4/2
|Agent of Chaos 1R
|Creature - Elemental Spammer
|Haste, Trample
|Reaction to White and to Blue - Gets +3/+0
|2/1
|Shameless Copycat 1U
|Creature - Shapeshifter Spammer
|Reaction to X/Y - Becomes X/Y
|2/2
It can do everything Critical and Bushido can do, and more, or less! It's whatever you need it to be.
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted May 23, 2009 10:42 PM |
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Quality N - (as long as this creature has N or more QP counters - Effect)
Quality 1 - ~ gains first strike.
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted May 23, 2009 11:10 PM |
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@Rarensu - Excellent idea! I like it, it represents the flame wars or just coopertion. I vote for that as one of the block mechanic!
Hmm, I like yours, mamga, but...I like R's better.
So, I think we should set the block mechanic next. I like the Reaction.
How about this as the errata for Reaction:
Reaction takes place anytime this creature targets/is targeted by, becomes blocked by, or blocks the criteria for the Reaction, the ability counts as a triggered ability and gains the specified effect.
eh?
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted May 23, 2009 11:14 PM |
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I like Reaction as well and Quality can be just an isolated ability like provoke.
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted May 23, 2009 11:17 PM |
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So, if i'm understanding this correctly, Quality should be a static ability, since we already have a triggered one. Like, Quality - If this has a red star counter on it, it gains X.
Those would make a good set mechanics. Maybe one more would really sell it.
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mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
Shroud, Flying, Trample, Haste
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posted May 23, 2009 11:27 PM |
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Actually i think that makes it an ability word.
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sith_of_ziost
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Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted May 23, 2009 11:34 PM |
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Signal word, yes, like Chroma.
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