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Mamgaeater
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posted August 15, 2009 08:15 PM |
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Extinction and you.
So i'd like to hear a variety of opinions because i haven't quite made up my mind.
Is it okay to let a species go extinct even if we have to interfere with natural cycles and such?
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Shyranis
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posted August 15, 2009 08:17 PM |
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Edited by Shyranis at 20:17, 15 Aug 2009.
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So i'd like to hear a variety of opinions because i haven't quite made up my mind.
Is it okay to let a species go extinct even if we have to interfere with natural cycles and such?
Only if our interference caused the endangerment to begin with. Which is usually a yes.
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DagothGares
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posted August 15, 2009 08:23 PM |
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Every day, several species go extinct without human interference. Who are we to try and stop that? 
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Shyranis
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posted August 15, 2009 09:05 PM |
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I'm sure the character in your avatar pic would prefer to use interference to accelerate extinction 
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DagothGares
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posted August 15, 2009 09:19 PM |
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Touché...
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TheDeath
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posted August 16, 2009 03:05 AM |
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Only if our interference caused the endangerment to begin with. Which is usually a yes.
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Every day, several species go extinct without human interference. Who are we to try and stop that?
I think most do because of human interference, it doesn't have to be DIRECT.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted August 16, 2009 03:10 AM |
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Adapt or die.
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Mamgaeater
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posted August 16, 2009 03:21 AM |
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What if the species in question was one that had potential use? Can we let these potential technologies go to waste?
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xerdux
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posted August 16, 2009 05:27 AM |
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Omg. They could mutate frozen mammoth DNA with humans.
Mammoth-men >.> Furry and with mammoth-size xD
As you might now, I have for several years researched n a possible Cat/Human hybrid speices. The female cat is going to give birth to my cat/human hybrid child.
Actually, my cat kind of died as a result. >.>
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Rarensu
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posted August 16, 2009 07:40 AM |
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Edited by Rarensu at 07:44, 16 Aug 2009.
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Extinction and you.
So i'd like to hear a variety of opinions because i haven't quite made up my mind.
Is it okay to let a species go extinct even if we have to interfere with natural cycles and such?
If you are a Christian:
Genesis 1:26 //Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."//
Animals belong to us. Therefore, we can do what we want with them. God might be disappointed, but he won't take away our freedom just because we're acting like morons. In any case, there are much greater crimes you should be worrying about instead of something minor like this. Like, you know, the ten commandments for starters. We're still working on those. Baby steps, right?
If you are an Athiest:
There is no one to tell us what we must do, save our own consciences. New species will evolve to replace the ones we destroy. There's nothing particularly special about one set of species that makes it inherently purer than another. Humans are part of the environment. Animals must adapt to us the same way they must adapt to each other. You can go ahead and believe that we have to control evolution, but remember that that is your opinion. There is no fundamental morality involved.
If you are anyone:
I don't believe that there is any fundamental morality involved in the extinction of a species. Causing a species to go extinct doesn't necessarily mean you murdered anything. It just means that the animals aren't reproducing fast enough. This is not a crime. I will not accept an argument based on the idea that is is morally wrong for a population to reproduce at less than its replacement rate. After all, the Japanese fit that description, and I don't see anyone over there trying to force them to survive. I will, however, accept an argument based on some tangible value that we receive by forcing the species to survive. For example, we would very much like force salmon to survive because we enjoy eating them. Another possible argument is that we still have things to learn by studying these animals, which we cannot do if they are dead.
If we vote to end extinction, we should do it for reasons other than feelings.
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Omg. They could mutate frozen mammoth DNA with humans.
Mammoth-men >.> Furry and with mammoth-size xD
As you might now, I have for several years researched n a possible Cat/Human hybrid speices. The female cat is going to give birth to my cat/human hybrid child.
Actually, my cat kind of died as a result. >.>
It is well demonstrated that almost any two animal species can successfully form a hybrid embryo. Cats and frogs? no problem. We can even do fish, if you like. Two species even slightly related, such as a rabbit and a guinea pig, can form an embryo which will mature into a living adult. Two species which are similar, such as a wolf and a coyote, can form a hybrid which will not only mature but reproduce with a realistic fertility rate.
There is no reason to suspect that humans are any different. Both chimpanzees and orangutans are within the minimum range to expect results from a hybridization experiment. Even if we don't try it, the Chinese eventually will. They don't care; they have already played with rat / mouse chimeras and hamster hybrids. It's only a matter of time until they feel confident enough to move on to the really creepy stuff.
I propose we immediately begin our own research. Given that we have more money and better universities, we will almost certainly beat them to it despite their head-start. Then once we get a successful human/ape hybrid, we can take it to the UN and get them to pass whatever conventions we want. It is better that we are in control, there's no telling what the Chinese would do if they got a hold of such a technology.
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xerdux
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posted August 16, 2009 11:58 AM |
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I wasn't serious but is it true? 
Wow. We can make Yetis and Hobbits ;O
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del_diablo
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posted August 16, 2009 02:54 PM |
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I propose we immediately begin our own research. Given that we have more money and better universities, we will almost certainly beat them to it despite their head-start. Then once we get a successful human/ape hybrid, we can take it to the UN and get them to pass whatever conventions we want. It is better that we are in control, there's no telling what the Chinese would do if they got a hold of such a technology.
There is no telling what anybody would do with such technology. Any nation which is war involved would be interested in making the super soldiers, anyhow.
The only thing i want from animals to humans is the reptiles regeneration abilities, but thats about all i want Well, that and other usefull abilities.
We should avoid going for exterminating species, but let them died out in piece if they do. Unless it a entire "race".
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TheDeath
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posted August 16, 2009 05:07 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 17:09, 16 Aug 2009.
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If you are an Athiest:
There is no one to tell us what we must do, save our own consciences. New species will evolve to replace the ones we destroy. There's nothing particularly special about one set of species that makes it inherently purer than another. Humans are part of the environment. Animals must adapt to us the same way they must adapt to each other. You can go ahead and believe that we have to control evolution, but remember that that is your opinion. There is no fundamental morality involved.
Neither is yours. Funnily enough though, I think most atheists would say a human is "purer" than an animal -- so much for not being "special"... hmmm
you see this whole issue is brought up because humans are "special" or at least considered that way. (when they shouldn't, at least not regarding life (mentality, well in some we're worse than animals ))
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mvassilev
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posted August 16, 2009 06:42 PM |
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Humans aren't special because they're humans. Humans are special because we're humans.
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