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InfernoGuy
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posted January 14, 2002 01:39 AM |
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Nooooo....
Hey im a dedicated Homm 2+3 fan and am new to the board. When I discovered that the Inferno and Necropolis towns were being merged, I was shocked. Hell my two fav towns from Homm3 were the Inferno and Necropolis. I know the Inferno was the least popular town from Homm3 but in the hands of an experienced player the Inferno town could be tough to beat. (Its creatures had awesome specials). Who here liked the Inferno more than any other town and if so why?
BTW Venom Spawn? Whats that doing in the Necropolis
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InfernoGuy
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Enjoys eating chicken
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posted January 14, 2002 02:42 AM |
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Inferno has the second most powerful mages (second only to tower)
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Jenova
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posted January 14, 2002 06:53 AM |
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Yeah I know.. It sucks that they're merged, but with so many towns already you gotta make some compromises. Besides, you might get some good unit pairings since you get both troop types. Remember, there's an alternate unit for each level, so maybe (I'm just guessing) they have each inferno unit with a alternative undead unit for each level. So for example, you might choose between Imps and Skeletons for level 1, Vampires and Pit Lords for level 2, etc.. rather than choosing between two undead of the same level. I know nothing about the game and I'm too lazy to do some research, so that's my guess, and you can probably have a whole army of just inferno or just undead and thus the castle can act as two separate castles almost.
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niteshade
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posted January 14, 2002 06:43 PM |
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From a storyline perspective, the merging of the towns makes a lot of sense. Remember the demons were almost completely destroyed in armagedon's blade. The remaining demons have to find some place to live and to hide, and what other town is going to invite them in besides their old allies the necromancers?
A recent interview refered to the venom spawn as the demon spawn. I think that's a much better name for them, hope they changed it.
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Wesley
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2002 06:53 PM |
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Edited By: Wesley on 14 Jan 2002
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A recent interview refered to the venom spawn as the demon spawn. I think that's a much better name for them, hope they changed it.
I think not!
Venom Spawn is named that way because it has VENOM!
Demon spawn should be a really stupid name... We all know it's a demon... So why name it DEMON spawn. I hope it stays VENOM spawn.. Sounds much better..
And I still think that they were drunk by putting in this monster..
Now we all can see they never will put Balrogs or Succubus into HOMM games. They even didn't used them for the new Demon/Undead town. Instead they putted in some stupid NON fantasy selfmaded viper creation... Bad turn..
Like they were out of ideas for this town.. And it misses so much FAMOUS legendary creatures and mythology creatures.. WHy did they choose for an non existed fantasy creature?
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niteshade
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posted January 14, 2002 07:16 PM |
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Well the concept of demon spawn is actualy kind of classic in fantasy, kind of bizarre otherworldly creatures that were spawned from the pits of hell. I've heard that name used many times before, so don't be so quick to dismiss it as silly or not a classic fantasy thing. And to me it sounds much better then venom spawn. I mean how does venom spawn something anyway....it's not like venom has babies.
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Wesley
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posted January 14, 2002 08:04 PM |
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Hmm
I have never heard of it.. And i'm glad for that..
But why they had to pick these stupid creatures!
I want succubus! Not an ooze leaking venom bath!
And ofcourse venom can make babies! LOL! Ow I was in spiderman comix..
But I think they mean Creation of venom. It's made out of venom.
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Wesley
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posted January 14, 2002 08:07 PM |
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Don't tell me..
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Yeah I know.. It sucks that they're merged, but with so many towns already you gotta make some compromises. Besides, you might get some good unit pairings since you get both troop types. Remember, there's an alternate unit for each level, so maybe (I'm just guessing) they have each inferno unit with a alternative undead unit for each level. So for example, you might choose between Imps and Skeletons for level 1, Vampires and Pit Lords for level 2, etc.. rather than choosing between two undead of the same level. I know nothing about the game and I'm too lazy to do some research, so that's my guess, and you can probably have a whole army of just inferno or just undead and thus the castle can act as two separate castles almost.
You think 6 towns is already many? Atleast 8 if you ask me!
And they could easily make the inferno in an expansion... now we never gonna to see some favorite demons of me.. 
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barbarian
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2002 09:26 PM |
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So the demon is gone That’s a shame I thought it was back from a picture I saw some were, can't remember the place .
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted January 14, 2002 09:54 PM |
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Well, they have made a lot of decision and reconstructions in Heroes which will affect playability and reduce re-playability.
One of those things is reducing the towns to 6. This reduces the replayability value to half. In heroes 3 you have 64 town match-ups, in heroes 4 you have only 36. This means it's much more important to balance the towns in heroes 4, than in heroes 3.
I also think the hero system will reduce replayability. Players will simply choose the same skills every time they play. Single player games will quickly become boring. You get more variety from choosing 8 out of 28, than by choosing 5 out of 9. It doesn't matter if 2-3 skills of 28 are substwandard, but if 2-3 skills out of 9 are bad then that greatly reduces enjoyment and re-playability.
The new magic system also makes it difficult to add new towns in expansions, you simply can't add a new magic town without wrecking the balance they've made.
When it comes to creatures, the number have been reduced to allow animations of heroes. In earlier heroes you had one hero with very limited animations per hero class, now heroes have full animations as if they were creatures. And with 37 hero classes (each possibly coming in two sexes), it follows that designers get much less time to make creature animations.
This is not necessarily bad... but it means we will have a lot of human-like heroes animations to the cost of monster animations.
The 6 town setup also forces towns line-ups into new combinations, and sometimes with results that are less desirable, such as in the Necropolis case. The game should not combine undead with living troops like this.
Only six towns have also left us with a HUGE amount of neutrals. The problem is who wants to hire neutrals if you can hire twice as many non-neutral creatures in a town? Strength comes with numbers...
It's not only the town line-ups that have been affected, the balance between might and magic also appears to be upset. Only 1 might town and 5 magic towns. That's something which can turn out to be unbalanced.
This doesn't mean that heroes 4 is necessarily a worse game than heroes 3. I'm just saying that making heroes 3 balanced was bound to be a lot simpler than making heroes 4 balanced.
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 12:23 AM |
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"I have never heard of it.. And i'm glad for that..
But why they had to pick these stupid creatures!
I want succubus! Not an ooze leaking venom bath! "
Well I'm sure when you get older you will be more familiar with fantasy and the like and will hear about more things like that. As for not liking them, well that's another matter. Alot of people don't like them.
"And ofcourse venom can make babies! LOL! Ow I was in spiderman comix..
But I think they mean Creation of venom. It's made out of venom. "
Well technicaly spawn means child. Still venom spawn would be a reasonable name for something made of venom, but if they rename it to demon spawn it might not be made of venom any more. But who knows, it was only that one interview where they called it demon spawn.
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InfernoGuy
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Enjoys eating chicken
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posted January 15, 2002 12:39 AM |
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You're right Djive. Maybe in an expansion pack they could create a few more "might towns." That way the new magic system will not be messed up, replayability would be added and the existing towns would be more effectively balanced. Some positive changes to the necropolis are:
1. Putting the vampire back in the tux (a la Heroes 2)
2. The removal of wights (correct me if i'm wrong)
Also has anyone seen any screens of lichs? Have they also been removed from the Necropolis? That would be a shame. Does this mean the Necropolis' only shooter is the venom spawn?
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Gerdash
Responsible
Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted January 18, 2002 07:04 PM |
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yeah, in the scenario..
..where you had to wait for money the first day, town portal and get all the frebirds with one hero and then fly and dimension door to the inferno town in the center of the map with armageddon's blade with another hero,..
..you killed all the inferno creatures except the fire resistant efreet. so they ended up in necro town (and the devil got his arm burned so completely in the process that he lost his arm even in the underworld). oh why did i ever play the stupid and accursed armageddon's blade scenario! if i hadn't, my inferno would still be alive and my homm4 would be different from the homm4 other stupid ppl will get (the ones that completed armageddon's blade, i mean. to bad i am included among them now).
maybe they have changed it to demon spawn indeed and it will spawn demons on the battlefield? or maybe it will spawn from corpses of demons?
btw inferno was the town with the most interesting gameplay imho. the thrill of waiting for your imp stack to die.. nothing equals that in homm3 imho.
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InfernoGuy
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Enjoys eating chicken
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posted January 20, 2002 06:00 AM |
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memories of imp hordes 
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Gnolly-guy
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Storm Gnoll
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posted January 21, 2002 07:03 AM |
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{I think not!
Venom Spawn is named that way because it has VENOM!
Demon spawn should be a really stupid name... We all know it's a demon... So why name it DEMON spawn. I hope it stays VENOM spawn.. Sounds much better..}
It's called demon spawn because it is a baby demon!Not baby venom!
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Wesley
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted January 21, 2002 05:42 PM |
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Do you call a
Do you call that stinking LEVEL 3 creature a baby???
I think you all don't know the real meaning of that name.
They doesn't mean that it's a child or baby. it's just made out of Venom...
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InfernoGuy
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Enjoys eating chicken
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posted January 21, 2002 08:09 PM |
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all the other ideas for new creatures are good; In any case, the venom spawn dosent belong in the Necropolis, its not Undead or part of the demonic hordes.
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Wesley
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posted January 21, 2002 08:14 PM |
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There just.
Out of ideas.
They can't use Balrog because it's copywrith from something
Succubus is to much into sex and they can't use that.
They probally don't know any other demons.
+ They probally hated the wyvern.. ANd they needed a poison creature replacer.
So they made up this slimy thing and putted the DEMON thing on it.
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Myste
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Reality Impaired
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posted January 22, 2002 03:20 AM |
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You can't blame the people at 3do for trying. I mean this is their 4th heroes game and theyre just running out of ideas. Maybe the expansion will be better (by the way why does everyone think there is going to be an expansion?)
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Jenova
Famous Hero
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posted January 22, 2002 03:42 AM |
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There will probably be at least TWO expansions, possibly more, considering NWC's past..
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