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Thread: Computer help: AVG 9.0 makes complete failure - any advice?
alcibiades
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posted February 28, 2010 05:17 PM

Computer help: AVG 9.0 makes complete failure - any advice?

Ok, in times of need, where do I turn?


I have for several years run AVG Free for Virus protection on my home PCs. Never had any problems.

Now AVG 8-series is being discontinued, and they release AVG 9.0. I download on one computer, which causes a complete computer failure: PC freezes within minutes of start-up - I can still use mouse, but all programs just silently stop running. I can't even un-install the damn thing, as computer freezes before un-install is finished. Duh!

Thought maybe it was a hardware failure, so tried installing on another PC. This time program fails to install properly, I get an error message that the product key I typed in is invalid, I should re-type key. It's a freeware - there is no product key. DUH!?

Forcibly removing program from first PC by terminating processes (which keep restarting themselves) and then deleting files brought computer back to life - hurrah! But now with no anti-virus.


So, my questions are:

1) Have any of you experienced like problems, and possibly found a way around it?

2) Can any of you recommend another reliable (or perhaps I should say A reliable) anti-virus freeware?
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posted February 28, 2010 05:33 PM

AVG 9.0 is a virus, not an anti-virus
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posted February 28, 2010 06:15 PM

Think my dad experienced this problem the other day and he just removed it and got another one. I recommend Comodo. It's pretty damn good and much better than AVG.
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posted February 28, 2010 08:10 PM

Thanx, tried to install Comodo, seems to work now, hope it'll keep running without issues.
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posted March 10, 2010 02:48 AM

I use AntiVir, seems to catch everything thrown at it virally, lower on system resources. The only drawback is a nag screen once per day reminding you it's free and the full version has anti-spyware, like I care.
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posted March 10, 2010 04:20 AM

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...I get an error message that the product key I typed in is invalid, I should re-type key. It's a freeware - there is no product key. DUH!?...
wow, I installed AVG 9.0c free version couple weeks ago thru the download manager without problems (there was no previous version on the xp laptop) & there was no mention of product key then...so things have changed since then?...or...hmm
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posted March 10, 2010 04:37 AM

I feel this does not qualify as "Other Side of the Monitor."

...Just saying.

Also, let me know if this persists, I was going go get AVG on my desktop soon.
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posted March 10, 2010 06:23 AM

So far my computer seems to run a bit slower, but seems to not have any major issues.  Might have to switch to Avast.
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posted March 10, 2010 12:16 PM

Antivirus = choked computer, fact...........
Running Windows is running a easly infested plague....
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posted March 10, 2010 01:13 PM

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Antivirus = choked computer, fact...........
I agree.
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Running Windows is running a easly infested plague....
I disagree.

Take proper measures, learn some stuff about security and how viruses work, and you'll be safe.

Example: run suspicious stuff in sandboxes, see what they modify (i.e they should not modify what they are not supposed to, like infect another executable), and use a FIREWALL.
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posted March 10, 2010 01:17 PM

Firewall + No you don't need anything else.................
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posted March 10, 2010 01:19 PM

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Firewall + No you don't need anything else.................
??? You need something for suspected executables.

Don't tell me in Linux they don't "have access" to read-only, because that is not removing the virus, it is making it unable to do anything.

To my mind, that is NOT security, and it's not solving the problem. I want viruses OUT of my hard drive -- not render them worthless. With a sandbox it's easy to see what it modifies and the virus/program even thinks that it can modify it... while it only works in the sandbox (and you can delete it all afterwards).

If I find it modifies some system files or infects other executables, I simply delete the program who does this and the sandbox. No virus.
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posted March 10, 2010 04:32 PM
Edited by del_diablo at 16:34, 10 Mar 2010.

What more do you need than a firewall? A working core of the OS is a darn granted givedn, not a "another measure of secuity" that people seem to belivie these days.
If i ever get my will x86 will die and no OS would get over 35% markedshare on the desktop segment.

So please stop being another arse, you can't run windows without a antivirus, but windows lacks a PROPER core structure.
Remember: Proper base structure is a darn granted given, and should not be confused with that its an addition feature.
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posted March 10, 2010 05:04 PM
Edited by xerox at 17:07, 10 Mar 2010.

Lol at AntiVir. A fake version of that program pops up for many people (I did for me on a computer with internet explorer for me). Instantly the fake version was downloaded and it is said "zomg you have three billion viruses on C, D and E! Pay us to get them removed!"
I said right out IRL "Yeah right..."

However, it isn't so hard to remove as people said.
I just googled "How to remove antivir flashback" (flashback is a huge swedish internet community), but I still think it's down there somewhere. Lurking.

edit: xD I read your post now, Shryanis.
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posted March 10, 2010 05:15 PM

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I feel this does not qualify as "Other Side of the Monitor."

...Just saying.

Also, let me know if this persists, I was going go get AVG on my desktop soon.


How is this "not OSM"?

Anyway, I upgraded both computers through download link, but neither worked properly. Maybe I was just unlucky, but now I stick with another brand, which runs smoothly.
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posted March 10, 2010 06:04 PM

I had AVG for years. But lately I have been disappointed with it since they have become so successful. They forgot how to be the best. So I switched to Avast. It uses less resources and is just as effective.
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posted March 11, 2010 03:22 PM

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What more do you need than a firewall? A working core of the OS is a darn granted givedn, not a "another measure of secuity" that people seem to belivie these days.
If i ever get my will x86 will die and no OS would get over 35% markedshare on the desktop segment.

So please stop being another arse, you can't run windows without a antivirus, but windows lacks a PROPER core structure.
Remember: Proper base structure is a darn granted given, and should not be confused with that its an addition feature.
Give me AN EXAMPLE of what you are talking about or stop pulling imaginary things out of your... you know what.

Here's a scenario to help you answer: I download a virus .exe from the internet.

This virus scans the hard drive for other .exe files and injects its code into them.

What does almighty Linux core do to MAKE ME REALIZE IT'S A VIRUS AND DELETE IT?

Read this carefully: the fact that the program cannot inject into my other executables (read-only) does NOT satisfy me, I want to KNOW what the .exe does, what it modifies, so I know it's a virus, so I can delete.

Because the former is like putting a clean carpet on a dirty floor, covering it up. The latter actually allows me to see the dirty floor and cleans it. It's called a sandbox.
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posted March 12, 2010 05:13 PM
Edited by del_diablo at 17:16, 12 Mar 2010.

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Here's a scenario to help you answer: I download a virus .exe from the internet.

This virus scans the hard drive for other .exe files and injects its code into them.

What does almighty Linux core do to MAKE ME REALIZE IT'S A VIRUS AND DELETE IT?


No, it never will. But it will stay in the filespace, and not enter the core area. And it will be dead by reboot. Aka no harm done.
Windows? It gets root control instant by another hole if it does not already have it, and will get worse upon reboot.............

Edit: oh you wanted to cripple the performance for monitoring? Good luck.............. If you are paranoid just create a own handle for your browser and executeables, it works BETTER compared to sandidioty from the 70'.
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posted March 12, 2010 05:22 PM

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No, it never will. But it will stay in the filespace, and not enter the core area. And it will be dead by reboot. Aka no harm done.
Windows? It gets root control instant by another hole if it does not already have it, and will get worse upon reboot.............
It will not be dead, it will remain on your hard drive...
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Edit: oh you wanted to cripple the performance for monitoring? Good luck..............
The only "performance" being crippled here is hooking the File Functions and redirecting them to the sandbox...
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If you are paranoid just create a own handle for your browser and executeables, it works BETTER compared to sandidioty from the 70'.
You must be joking, the Unix/Linux security system is archaic, not sandboxes. Just think how old it really is and it hasn't changed since.

Plus you do NOT have to mess around with root passwords and annoying stuff like that. Easier experience, more monitoring (if you want), better security. How can the user-access security method be better? It's archaic.
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posted March 12, 2010 07:09 PM

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The only "performance" being crippled here is hooking the File Functions and redirecting them to the sandbox...


Thought you wanted proper inn and out montoring of everything? Making sure its trapped is a complete different useage of words.

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It will not be dead, it will remain on your hard drive...


Who cares? Unless the binary abomination is over several gigabytes then who cares? It does beat the option of having a infected computer


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You must be joking, the Unix/Linux security system is archaic, not sandboxes. Just think how old it really is and it hasn't changed since.

Plus you do NOT have to mess around with root passwords and annoying stuff like that. Easier experience, more monitoring (if you want), better security. How can the user-access security method be better? It's archaic.


Ever heard of croot? That is one of the ye old sandboxes......
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