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SimonaK
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Supreme Hero
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posted November 06, 2010 05:05 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 17:06, 06 Nov 2010.
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no new heroes, no new skillwheel?
the creatures look really good.
a coffee with that? 
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 06, 2010 06:02 PM |
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yes. what are you waiting for? 
some creatures deal insanely high damage
like 1 destroyer : 42 damage. 1 raider : 168 damage and I'm not talking about a single misanthropist at short range.
thunderbirds are imba, stormstrike actually makes them deal twice as much damage as their stats says. 40 thunderbirds inflicted over 2000 damage at the start of the fight. and it was without rune of battle frenzy.
avengers would probably be a death sentence for anything coming too close, but if they are bad enough at long range, it could be ok.
it feels a bit like fighting sylvan, you get rushed by thunderbirds and destroyers and lose half of your army before you can do a damn thing.
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 06, 2010 11:24 PM |
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I'm the idea creator, no balancer, so please forgive me  It would be nice from you if you could balance them on your own, and then post the changes
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 12:02 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 00:03, 07 Nov 2010.
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well, but it also depends on what you intended for them.
I tried another fight, and avengers are truely dreadful.
at long range, against a tank-ish level 4 unit, 9 of them dealt 500 damage, which isn't bad, considering they have range penalty at least, it seemed like a lot. oh, and that unit had deflect arrows 
what are supposed to be the stats of the hero? clearly he doesn't need attack.
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 12:43 AM |
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They should be fast and deadly, with low health. So you start the battle and kill them all in the beginning, or you die in a first counter.
I guess the hero should be a caster, which actually fits the town. What do you mean by stats of hero?
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 12:46 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 00:49, 07 Nov 2010.
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I was thinking, how fast he gains attack, defense, spellpower, knowledge. it would seem logical to focus on defense and knowledge, at least, if you want to balance the town.
I have to say, I was playing with auto-combat, and the AI is dumb as hell, it targetted the shooters last. it was more concerned by wintry hunters which are no threat at all. and thought that resurecting 50 levels 1 who got killed before they could even act was a better idea than circle of winter
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 12:48 AM |
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So the hero should have opposite skills to the creatures? I guess it could balance the town...
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 12:51 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 00:51, 07 Nov 2010.
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not necessarily, but well, if you give him attack and spellpower, it's quite overkill. imagine thunderbirds and then meteor shower
what will you do with runes?
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 12:53 AM |
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Edited by trashid at 00:58, 07 Nov 2010.
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Maybe i just shouldn't give them the chaos magic?
I'll give them dark and summoning magic instead.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 01:05 AM |
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I'm afraid you actually forgot the range penalty on the tier 6. which explains a lots of things.
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 01:08 AM |
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Edited by trashid at 01:14, 07 Nov 2010.
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I gave its range equal to 1. Is there a ability that will make it have more penalty? And i want it to have low range, not always half damage when shooting.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 01:20 AM |
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I think it has to be half damage.
range -2 and range penalty, according to the scout file.
from what I understand, you want full damage at short range and a quarter of the damage at long range. I'm not sure it's possible.
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 01:23 AM |
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Edited by trashid at 01:40, 07 Nov 2010.
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Yes, that is what i am thinking about. I'll try that -2 range, and if that doesn't work, i'll just lower the damage dealt by them.
Edit:
The -2 range is actually bigger than 1 So how much damage do you think will balance the unit?
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 01:43 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 01:45, 07 Nov 2010.
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don't know yet, I'll think about that
I think the animoshran looks silly with the mask.
can you do something with the hair of the ghoul? looks weird too.
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 01:51 AM |
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I'll remake the animoshran's texture, to fit the mask. Also what is wrong with the ghoul? Partialy white hair?
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 02:16 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 03:04, 07 Nov 2010.
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the fact it has hair
some ideas :
tier 1A : 5 HPs
tier 2 : 13 HPs Init 8
tier 2A : 13 HPs Init 10
tier 2B : 15 Hps Init 9
Tier 3 : 18 HPs
Tier 3B : Init 8
Tier 4A : 40 HPs Damage 5-6 Init 14 (what about the horde building?)
Tier 4B : 55 HPs Init 13
Tier 5 : defense 10 (I consider the horde building gives +1 of them, otherwise, they are underpowered)
Tier 5A : defense 10
Tier 5B : defense 13
Tier 6 : damage 18-23 Init 11
Tier 6A : damage 23-25
Tier 6B : damage 23-30, brutality instead of double elven shot (I think it triggers on range attack)
Tier 7 : damage 40-60
Tier 7B : attack 40 defense 30
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 03:13 PM |
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Edited by trashid at 17:16, 07 Nov 2010.
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I cant cut off his hair, because it will have transparent place instead of that. There will be no horde building for lvl 4, of course, while i want to keep the lvl 5 horde building. Thanks for the stats, i'll try them out 
Edit:
The brutality works fine
I've remade the Animoshran (does it still look silly? ):
And old one
I've also cut the large braid of the ghoul, and now he has large bullethole instead Whatever, you almost can't see it, since there is no back camera, right?
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 05:28 PM |
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actually, I thought it looked better without the mask. it doesn't fit
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SimonaK
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 05:30 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 17:32, 07 Nov 2010.
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I never seen the creature in the game
but I like the mask just with the picture.
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I've also cut the large braid of the ghoul, and now he has large bullethole instead Whatever, you almost can't see it, since there is no back camera, right?
back cameras can exist. ex: tactic mode in the beginning of the battle.
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trashid
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2010 10:38 PM |
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I like the mask because it is original. LONG LIVE ORIGINALITY! 
And from far camera you can't see the hole
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