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Thread: Homeopathy and me
bixie
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posted April 17, 2010 09:19 AM

Homeopathy and me

I am in a little bit of a confused rut at the moment.

I don't hold with homeopathy, I don't think there is anything it in. I like some of the ideas behind it, and some of the mystical aspects of it are certainly intreging, but it doesn't compare to the basic ideas of modern science, and the way it's being passed off as a legitimate cure is a little bit gross.

and this is strange, as I have been helped by Homeopathy. when I was very young, my mum gave me homeopathy medicines to help me get over colds and flu, and she herself was subscribed to it. on both occasions, they worked.

Am I being massively disrespecteful, taking the position I have taken on it when it has helped me, or am I justified in my reasoning?

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alcibiades
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posted April 17, 2010 10:34 AM

Well, cold and flu get over by themselves with time also. Maybe it was just random that you got better after she gave you those doses?

I don't hold any respect for homoepathy at all, I think it's the ultimate BS, but then I'm the son of a pharmacologist, so I have to be flavored by that.
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posted April 17, 2010 11:06 AM

I think homeopathy is nonsense. It's all a placebo.
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posted April 17, 2010 01:19 PM

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Well, cold and flu get over by themselves with time also. Maybe it was just random that you got better after she gave you those doses?

I don't hold any respect for homoepathy at all, I think it's the ultimate BS, but then I'm the son of a pharmacologist, so I have to be flavored by that.

incidentally my grandfather co-founded a pharmacy.

But i too believe that its a bit funky. sure many natural cures can be found, but there is a reason we do testing on substances to see what works and what doesn't.
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posted April 17, 2010 01:48 PM

Where do you thin the modern medicine started?

Medicinal herbs still grow. It's just that modern medicines are much more refined and effective. It doesn't change the fact that old ones still work.
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alcibiades
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posted April 18, 2010 06:05 PM
Edited by alcibiades at 18:06, 18 Apr 2010.

There's a HUGE difference between natural medicines and homeopathy.

Natural medication is fine, and even if some products may not be documentet to work, that's not the same as they don't. Many plants contain active chemicals that either work the same way or different ways than industrial medications.

Homeopathy is simply a placebo effect, except they clame it's an actual medical effect. While placebos have been shown to work in many cases, that's not really medication - and shouldn't be sold as such.
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posted April 18, 2010 06:12 PM

Isn't homeophaty where they dilute a concentration to an extreme degree?

I think there have been statistic evidence that shows it's more than a placebo, though not much about it as of now (someone tried to prove it was completely placebo, but found statistic evidence of that to be unlikely).

Anyway, if I may take a guess.
We all know that medicine in too big concentrations are toxics, actually anything in too big concentration probably is.

However I don't know if there can be a sufficient small concentration for there to be no effect under the right circumstances? It must be very dependent on the inside mechanics of the body, if only a little bit is required at a very limited area, as long as it's present the odds of arrival goes from very close to zero, to a much larger, maybe still very close to zero, number.

However, since molecules are in integers (there's no half a moluecule when diluting), the question, I think one should ask is this:

Under X amount of dilutions, what's the probability of different concentrations of the substance left?

Under an intake of this concentration, what's the probability that this amount goes to the right place?
What're the consequences of going to the wrong place (i.e. how big and focused a concentration is required for side effects to kick in?).

All in all, I'd guess that if one assumes it to be completely placebo, one would expect the same result of water, i.e. an extremely close to zero percent chance, when in reality, it'd be ignoring the chance of some mulecules would not have evened out, as they're integers after all, and would still be present, to increase the number to a much larger one very close to zero.
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