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Dj
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posted July 09, 2010 08:59 PM |
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Edited by Dj at 21:00, 09 Jul 2010.
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Poll Question:
Shaman: Lore issue in WoG
We all know that shamans are commanders for fortress since the commanders came out in wog, meaning more than 5 years, but did anyone thought that according to the lore they don't fit there?That they should belong to stronghold? Shamans are wise people who pray to the Ancestors, also the only people who belienve in the Ancestors are the barbarians ofcourse. When Tarnum was a barbarian in The World Tree and The fiery moon he had 2 withces as his advisors, while when he was a Beastmaster in Revolt of the Beastmasters there was nothing, absolutely nothing about shamans.
I also said that in the official core wog forum and i wanted to say here too because wog 3.59 shouldn't be too far from the release and i think that they should reconsider about the shamans.
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OxFEA
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posted July 09, 2010 10:02 PM |
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Lore can be very, very flexible.
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Cepheus
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posted July 09, 2010 10:06 PM |
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The story of The World Tree and The Fiery Moon takes place anywhere between 100 to 1000 years before Heroes III. Things change. Plus, WoG never payed a single iota of respect to any of the Might and Magic continuity in any case.
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Kreegan
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posted July 09, 2010 10:07 PM |
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For me it doesn't matter... but then what will you give insted of gnollish shaman?
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 09, 2010 10:10 PM |
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If you want,you can put shaman to rampart,why not? If you or someone don't want shaman to fortress,change him,the name, made or download one aleardy done,what's so hard?
P.S:@DJ daca tu vrei sa sustii chestia asta pentru forumurile de gammeri romani,sau alti(ca linkmania,asteapta sa le cada tot in gura,mai nou vreau RPG-uri online,fara plata),las-o balta ca-s prea lenesi,sa se ocupe si ei de moding,ca ma enerveaza rau de tot
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Salamandre
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posted July 10, 2010 01:42 AM |
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It is only a name, and names are their last trouble. After all, you can fix that in a 1 line script, so not a big issue. Myself I don't care about, as I always considered that WoG is a shared tool between its creators, mapmakers and players. Each one is placing inside his wishes and achieves his own vision. (Ai vazut ca nu-ti raspunde, îi doare exact unde stii)
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 10, 2010 08:30 AM |
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@salamdre:a raspuns prin P.M
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Hobbit
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posted July 10, 2010 12:32 PM |
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I also said that in the official core wog forum and i wanted to say here too because wog 3.59 shouldn't be too far from the release and i think that they should reconsider about the shamans.
I think WoG 3.59 won't change names, graphics or the whole ideas of old units...
...if it's released of course.
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gnollking
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posted July 10, 2010 12:46 PM |
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Shamans are wise people...
Which means there's NO POSSIBLE WAY they could belong to some freaking Stronghold .
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Hobbit
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posted July 10, 2010 02:09 PM |
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I think these shamans are not much wiser than battle mages.
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Octavius
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posted July 11, 2010 09:13 PM |
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Is more good to Shamans stay where they are....
Sorry for my English!!!
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Sorry for my English...!
I want only to help...
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Dj
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posted July 12, 2010 07:15 PM |
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Edited by Dj at 19:15, 12 Jul 2010.
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Plus, WoG never payed a single iota of respect to any of the Might and Magic continuity in any case.
because it is not finished.that's why i wanted to discuss now because wog 3.59 is not as far from releasement as most of you think. Since there will be a new town, there will be a campaign..so there will be lore. in www.heroes3towns.com, corwin released some fragments from the campaign. the story will be during the battle between gelu and kilgor [i think x__x the text is in russian and google translate sux]
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It is only a name, and names are their last trouble.
yeah...as it u know better the progress of wog >__>
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I think WoG 3.59 won't change names, graphics or the whole ideas of old units...
yes it will...and much more!
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Which means there's NO POSSIBLE WAY they could belong to some freaking Stronghold .
so i guess wise people as shamans would fit better in a town of beasts [only lvl 1 and 2 are humanoids..the rest are beasts, while stronghold have more humanoids: lvl 1,2,3,4,6 AND lvl 4 upgrade is caster]; notice that mage guilds have the same level. right?
thx for sharing opinions 
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Salamandre
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posted July 12, 2010 07:32 PM |
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yeah...as it u know better the progress of wog >__>
Umm, I think I know it much better than you. Plus, you posted in their forums this "dilemma" and you got only a sarcastic answer from GameCreator. They don't care about, why it takes you so long to get it?
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Hobbit
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posted July 12, 2010 07:33 PM |
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yes it will...and much more!
If it doesn't change lvl 8 units graphics (according to the information from a WoG member it won't), then why should it change this?
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so i guess wise people as shamans would fit better in a town of beasts [only lvl 1 and 2 are humanoids..the rest are beasts, while stronghold have more humanoids: lvl 1,2,3,4,6 AND lvl 4 upgrade is caster]; notice that mage guilds have the same level. right?
Even 7 lvl can be called a humanoid (as I remember from the campaigns they are wiser than they look like). But humanoids from Stronghold are much more "stupid" than humanoids from Fortress. The proof? Just look at heroes' skills - witches have more knowledge and spell power than battle mages.
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Dj
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posted July 12, 2010 07:44 PM |
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yeah...as it u know better the progress of wog >__>
Umm, I think I know it much better than you. Plus, you posted in their forums this "dilemma" and you got only a sarcastic answer from GameCreator. They don't care about, why it takes you so long to get it?
so be it...u know better than me. ok. gamcreator said nothing relevant about my post. those descriptions say nothing about shamans. there are particular cases when the commander meets the hero and bla bla u saw the post there.
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If it doesn't change lvl 8 units graphics (according to the information from a WoG member it won't), then why should it change this?
then why do u think they created a topic on their official corewog forum where they ask ideas of lvl 8s and commanders?
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Even 7 lvl can be called a humanoid
A humanoid (from English human and -oid "resembling") is something that has an appearance resembling a human being.
if u are speaking about lvl 7 in fortress...then how hydra looks like a human? that's what i understood. sorry if i missunderstood o_O
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Salamandre
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posted July 12, 2010 07:50 PM |
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Let me put it in another manner. CoreWog forums are working on a different pattern than HC. In HC people adore to make garbage threads about how should be named (not pointing at you, in general), how should look, how should be strong, how should it fit, how...etc.
It is like a NASA team trying to make an engine capable to beat light speed then some visitors keep making remarks about the color of seats, belts and whatever.
What they try to do is very difficult technically. Changing a name is their last trouble, as I said. When it will be ready (if), I guess your propositions will be heard much more than today, atm they have no idea if will be done, how and when.
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 12, 2010 07:52 PM |
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He speak about behemot,stronghold is based on strenght,not magic,the battle mage is there,because they needed a magic class,but exist termen of WAR.Who is smarter,a barbarian who know only to slaughter someone or a beastmaster who have calm in training of animals?
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Salamandre
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posted July 12, 2010 08:05 PM |
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Btw, the thread asking for Commanders concept was initiated by Darkloke, which is not part of the team, and the thread died shortly, without a single answer from the CoreWoG members. Maybe because all creatures proposed were from World of Warcraft?
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Hobbit
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posted July 12, 2010 08:09 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 20:10, 12 Jul 2010.
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He speak abouy behemot
Yeah, right. Thanks.
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Dj
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posted July 12, 2010 08:28 PM |
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Edited by Dj at 20:30, 12 Jul 2010.
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@salamandre: as i said..u dont know better. At that time Darkloke was a team-memeber. he quit because of lack of time.
ok...leave it as you wish. u turned this discussion into an argue that i wont continue because u are trying to convience me that im wrong, thus change my oppinion, thing that i didnt try to you. i just told you what is in the official story and gave a suggestion. that's why this forum is dead. u dont accept anything new, not to mention discuss it [except some members].
sorry for trying to make wog a better game in the ways i can *rollseyes*.
edit: some members made some posts offtopic as usual. they like to change the subject and speak just to ..speak.
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