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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: How to be genius at play or ultimate cheating in Heroes 5
Thread: How to be genius at play or ultimate cheating in Heroes 5 This thread is 5 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · NEXT»
infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted March 05, 2011 02:57 AM
Edited by infinitus at 03:01, 05 Mar 2011.

How to be genius at play or ultimate cheating in Heroes 5

Recent games i lost on RMG helped me to realize some important things, said things Hero scanner in nothing compared to this ...
All you need to have are 3 computers. Right in game from computer N1 autosave last turn is copied to computer N2 and computer N3. On computer N2 game is created using this autosave. Computer N3 join this new game using autosave via lan connection. From now your "genius" opponent will play each turn of your game in progress in parallel on computer N2 @ N3. He will be like a god, he will know every step, every decision you make in this game. His creep will be perfect. You are doomed my friend ...
How to recognize this ?
Here is some tips ...
-Your opponent play short game sessions ? He save and end session then sim turn break, he save and exit then final battle is possible ? Well this are sign of simple two computers look at save ...
-Your opponent play very long turns for no reason ? His creep is perfect ? He prefer very hard maps or special edited maps for tournaments ? All this are good signs of 3 computers cheat ...

For now i see only one solution vs this ... To set time limit per tunr to 10 min ... To play vs trusted opponents and to know symptoms ... Especially this cheat is dangerous on RMG map, fair play opponent is blind compared to cheater, for him map is dark, for cheater are no mistery ...

Now try to remember some long turns of Caesar and some suspicions launched by Kispagat

Is very important for H6 to have password protected save ...  

   

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Pitlord
Pitlord


Known Hero
posted March 05, 2011 07:56 PM

heroes of cheat and abuse 5

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Clay_Man
Clay_Man


Known Hero
TOH gamer
posted March 05, 2011 09:45 PM

Cheaters gonna cheat.

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DIEGIS
DIEGIS


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted March 05, 2011 11:10 PM
Edited by DIEGIS at 23:11, 05 Mar 2011.

Ive said long long time ago: save protected by pass, similar to civ IV ...
But ...very well said here: "heroes of cheat and abuse: 5"  
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What if Elvin was female?
posted March 05, 2011 11:24 PM

Heh, lol. If someone is willing to buy three computers just to win a heroes game I think they deserve it.
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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted March 06, 2011 08:03 AM
Edited by infinitus at 08:05, 06 Mar 2011.

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Heh, lol. If someone is willing to buy three computers just to win a heroes game I think they deserve it.

In many cases no need to buy comps or do something.
Examples - desktop comp, notebook, wife notebook or desktop comp, old desktop comp, notebook or player work in office full of comps  ...

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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted March 06, 2011 10:11 AM

These guys must be real productive at work then. But what if all their friends have taken over the extra pcs to cheat at another game?
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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted March 06, 2011 11:14 PM

Reminds me of certain chess tournament players with frequent "bio-breaks" during the tournaments.

Cheating is easy.... but in the end... pointless and shallow. I see no point in it, I'll take good loss over cheated win any day of the week.

Even though it is near impossible to stop it, making it impractical always helps to an good extent. In the end, I believe big majority of players are playing fair.
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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted March 07, 2011 07:54 AM

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But what if all their friends have taken over the extra pcs to cheat at another game?

Maybe this is why some people prefer night time to play
Will be explanation like - i have business trip this week ...

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In the end, I believe big majority of players are playing fair.

I think so too. I remember the time then WC3 got hacked couple of time. Game start to lag for two minutes and crash because opponent use hack. For 10 games played by me, 2-3 was games vs cheaters ... So 20% of WC3 community are potential cheaters ... For H5 statistic must be the same. Problem is, this 20% ruin big time game play experience of other 80% of players. Only solution is to keep game protected and updated fast in case of game got hacked. For example Blizzard solve haks problems in week or two ...    

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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted March 07, 2011 10:38 AM

Priceless
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Towerlord
Towerlord


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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
posted March 07, 2011 11:14 AM

And what/who got you suspicious about this cheating method ?

I have a hunch, and I am curious to see if I'm right.
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Pitlord
Pitlord


Known Hero
posted March 07, 2011 11:20 AM

all emperors are cheater.

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted March 07, 2011 11:34 AM
Edited by infinitus at 11:35, 07 Mar 2011.

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And what/who got you suspicious about this cheating method ?

Mission of this topic is not to cut off cheaters head. For me mission of this topic was to show how unprotected H5 is... Maybe heroes community knowing now the problem can solve it, mod maybe ? In general this is UBI job, but do they care about H5 now ?
 

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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted March 07, 2011 11:45 AM

The sentiment is nice though about 3-4 years late.
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Towerlord
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
posted March 07, 2011 12:22 PM

... if you dont want to say the name in public, just send a HC message to me only
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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted March 07, 2011 02:11 PM

Quote:
heroes of cheat and abuse 5

You can say same for Heroes 3. He is much more unprotected vs cheats/bugs.

Quote:
all emperors are cheater.

You are PitLord so don't talk like devil I can agree only for one person and its from season 1. Not all are 100% fair/friendly all his games but for sure none from other emperors are pure cheater!

Quote:
Reminds me of certain chess tournament players with frequent "bio-breaks" during the tournaments.

you mean for: Kramnik-Topalov World Championship Match (2006)

Infinitus, don't be crazy. For begin not much ppl have 3 computers working with h5. This game not work on very weak computers. Second alone person cant copy/paste in real time saves and load them in 2 other computers+play vs you same time. True he can load save on 2pc if you stop game and its cheat and unfair...but this cant change your game plan/skills/ability so wont give him sure won. Its similar like h3 to open random map with editor and see all arts/utopias.
If you don't trust your opponent but you want to play vs him set rule for no save before 6h play for example or he need to report loss About load saves in real time sure he need second person for assist and he cant have it 24/7 so just never let him know early when you going to play again.

In short: Last season we had pure cheater in n1 position this season we have cry babe. Stop make topic like this, or fire vs nat, or similar in forum and make all random spamers/flamers/reader to think ppl opnly cheat when its not true.

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted March 07, 2011 05:15 PM

Quote:
Second alone person cant copy/paste in real time saves and load them in 2 other computers+play vs you same time.

On RMG 2m in 1 hour turn long you can do all this and take a shower if needed
Quote:
Its similar like h3 to open random map with editor and see all arts/utopias.

It's much more stronger. If final battle is possible next turn, cheater load save and do this battle on two comps, now he know he will win or loose battle, so he know for sure to enter battle or to avoid it. So he can avoid this way a lot of looses, great advantage. Another advantage he have complete information of opponent armies location, this alone can decide winner of game...
Quote:
Stop make topic like this, or fire vs nat, or similar in forum and make all random spamers/flamers/reader to think ppl opnly cheat when its not true.

This topic is for TOHers to avoid be fooled for example in Caesar ... Also cheaters need to know, i will now allow to fool me without consequences ...
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In short: Last season we had pure cheater in n1 position this season we have cry babe.

Cry babe - you mean your drama Strider/Jinxer/Fire topics ?




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DIEGIS
DIEGIS


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted March 07, 2011 07:17 PM
Edited by DIEGIS at 19:43, 07 Mar 2011.

hahaha ... I love the topic.

Btw, y dont u caesars play on ubi? I think on there the saves cant be seen or can they?

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Pitlord
Pitlord


Known Hero
posted March 07, 2011 07:22 PM

u need at least 2 different keys to use the abusestrategy which threadstarter explained if u are playing on ubi.com. but cheaters prefer to play on hamachi because u can better abuse there

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted March 07, 2011 07:39 PM

Quote:
Btw, y dont u caesars play on ubi? I think on there u cant see the saves or can u?

How can i forget about UBI... Game started on UBI server can be continued only on UBI server, right ? This save can't be loaded using hamachi, no experts methods  ?

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