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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: Angels
Thread: Angels
Astromidas
Astromidas


Hired Hero
posted March 30, 2011 11:43 PM

Poll Question:
Angels

I think that Heroes VI will be great and my favorite faction will probably be Haven.

Although the thing that annoy me the most and that I think REALLY needs a change is the names "Seraph" and "Celestial" to "Angel" and "Archangel" as it has always been since their introduction in Heroes III. It's probably to late now but I still think the names should be changed. What do you think?

Responses:
The names should be changed to Angel and Archangel
No change, the names Seraph and Celestial is fine
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Adrius
Adrius


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posted March 30, 2011 11:46 PM

I don't really care about the name... quite fitting for the units I think.

However, I don't really like the H6 angels anyway. the Celestial in particular just screams SISTERS OF BATTLE in my face... makes me wanna whip out mah flamer instead of playing Heroes
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MrDragon
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posted March 30, 2011 11:47 PM

What about an option for Angel -> Seraph?
Archangel now seems to be a extremely high ranking title.

Still voted for Angel-Archangel though, Celestial->Seraph sounds like they didn't try hard enough to find a good alternative.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted March 31, 2011 12:08 AM

No Archangels, no Archdevils, no Titans and no Dragons, at least if I've understood correctly. Cyclopes are still in, for some reason.

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DarkLord
DarkLord


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posted March 31, 2011 01:17 AM

i'd prefer Creberus changed to Orthus.. then angels

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Jiriki9
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posted March 31, 2011 10:50 AM

Not important name change for me...better change the appereance^^
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intelligence
intelligence


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posted March 31, 2011 12:39 PM

i think the names are fine. what should be changed is their shinyness
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Astromidas
Astromidas


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posted March 31, 2011 01:44 PM

I'm pretty fine with their apprearence but one thing that worries me a little from looking from the screenshots featuring the angels (or seraph...) is that their wings looks to flat unlike the griffins but that could just be an effect from the screenshots perhaps.

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SkySlam
SkySlam


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posted March 31, 2011 02:48 PM

Honestly, I find the actual names pretty fitting.

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undead_assault
undead_assault


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Armageddoning
posted March 31, 2011 09:11 PM

hmmm, actually I think they are different from Angels/Archangels. My guess is, in Heroes VI period of time, Angel/Archangel aren't Haven's ally yet.
Even in their creature definition, angels are mentioned too, that proves Ubi makes Seraph/Celestial for something, maybe a cannon fodder for the rise of Angel/Archangels.

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yasmiel
yasmiel


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posted March 31, 2011 09:24 PM

Quote:
What about an option for Angel -> Seraph?
Archangel now seems to be a extremely high ranking title.

Still voted for Angel-Archangel though, Celestial->Seraph sounds like they didn't try hard enough to find a good alternative.


Angel->Archangel seems the best to me. Celestial seems to be general name under which all types of angels could fit.

Actually, Seraph "outranks" archangel according to most "popular" angel hierarchy (St.Thomas) by huge margin, even though they aren't really comparable. (weren't seraphs supposed to be singing all day along or something).

Even though it's fantasy world, I'd prefer sticking to hierarchy when it's already taken. Thus my vote is Angel->Archangel.
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Wckey
Wckey


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posted March 31, 2011 10:21 PM

Quote:
Celestial seems to be general name under which all types of angels could fit.

That's why I like these names. We have Archangel Michael and woman angel of the Kiril's story. Because the angels are called Celestial and Seraph, the fact that Michael is an Archangel makes him a special character/creature.
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Minnakht
Minnakht


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posted March 31, 2011 10:21 PM

Let's not change this. The original names of angel and archangel are probably reserved for some other use. Since we like it so much, my speculation is as follows:

Angels - humans comparison
Angel - peasant/citizen
Seraph - soldier
Celestial - special operative
Archangel - leader


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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted March 31, 2011 10:31 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 22:31, 31 Mar 2011.

How much are you willing to bet that the female angel actually is a succubus?
If that is the case then they aren't very subtle about it.

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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted March 31, 2011 10:46 PM

The issue i have is messing up hierarchy.

Celestial would be fine as a name since it is really wide and general. But upgrade is from Seraph which is among highest ranked Celestials to begin with. If anything it should be the opposite Celestial->Seraph. Names can pass on their own but as basic->upgrade combo i find Seraph->Celestial clumsy.

Anyhow, since its a fun thread this could be mentioned:

Angel Hierarchy:
First Sphere
- Seraphim
- Cherubim
- Thrones (Ophanim)
Second Sphere
- Dominions
- Powers
- Virtues
Third Sphere
- Principalities
- Archangels
- Angels

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Cepheus
Cepheus


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Far-flung Keeper
posted March 31, 2011 10:49 PM

Angels are just another core race now (in Ashan), so naming a creature "Angel" is to Ubisoft the same as calling one "Elf" or "Human".
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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted March 31, 2011 11:01 PM

Bring back Cyborg Angels I say!

ON a serious note, names used aren't that bad. My only concern (this is not just regarding angels) is  heavy usage of specific names, which could restrict mapmaking to Ashan (since most of the creatures are Ashan specific).

One can have any type of medieval setting with cavalier and monk. Not so much with radiant glory and sun rider.
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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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posted April 01, 2011 03:50 PM

I think the name "Archangel" is now reserved for the Boss Archangel Michael....

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