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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 14, 2002 01:21 PM |
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Oki, but still...even if the built cheats doesnt work in multiplayer so does the trainer cheat remain. Does anyone know a way to "catch" someone cheat if he does what i wrote earlier?
/Stefan
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eliogabalus
Hired Hero
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posted February 14, 2002 01:38 PM |
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editing save
It is possible to edit save between turns, even if you don't host. I played one who did it when I hosted. He got 5 archangels out of nowhere and also 80 unicorns in week3...
Of course fighting me with those creatures made it obvious he cheated, and he confessed (after killing all his army without loss, I guess cheating hurts your heroes skill) and told me he edited the save.
Smarter more experienced people may be able to hide it, at least for a while.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted February 14, 2002 03:16 PM |
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because i didnt understand the situation at first that hamsi discribed i asked him to send me the save.
i looked at it and i was shocked.
to me they prove that xxxx cheated .
- he got 5 archangels on BFH without any castle town on map and i dont think even his basic diplo could help him to get em
- his cash and recource standing doesnt really look like BFH. to me they look more like HG 3 after takeing the topia. ( i played a lot games on BFH and i dont think i have ever had so many cash by end of week 3 including all upgrades. i bet all BFH experts would agree with me)
I know many wont like that i post this here but i have allways said my opinion and i allways will.
Honor Council made a wrong decision .
everyone can make mistakes.
ill just put XXXXX and his 2 trainer-buddies ( most of u know who i mean ) on my no play list.
Motorschaaf
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 14, 2002 04:09 PM |
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well hamsi, I replied to your email. And this XXXX person has had a dishonorable history in ToH, and Ive told the HC about it. To this day this person is trouble.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted February 14, 2002 04:40 PM |
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Oh I am Late :)
I wish I had seen this thread earlier. 
I know who Hamsi is talking about. And as far as I read in this thread this person has a very interesting past in ToH history 
I dont know what use my opinion will provide for this situation; but here they are. Firstly, I never played this xxx, and will never. Becuz, I know who and what kind of a player Hamsi is; and I easily guess why he is so pissed of. Becuz, he caught a cheater red handed and it is impossible for him to prove that he is right. However, I do well know that HC cannot do against this situation; because there is no way that he can prove it; that xxx is the one who has edited the save not himself. Therefore, my only suggestion to him can be that he should respect the judgement of HC whether it is just or not. Tho, he should know that xxx is in my (and most of my friends' who trust me) personal "dont play list" (reference to Titan888 ops.... I meant OME888 ) There is nothing we can do further  .
With regard to Fest thing. Lich thinks that you offended him. Whereas I do not think so. I do not see any single word why Lich was angry with you. I e-mailed him becasue of the same reason. (fake fest reports) However, I want to mention it again, and make your and my points clearer:
We suspect of fake reports for Fest tourney. But we ABSOLUTELY mean no offence to Lich. I guess he think that we claim that he put some of friends to the finals NO WAY. I think this is what Lich misunderstands. What I say is that there are some people who sent dozens of fake reports in order to grant the finals. There is nothing Lich could do, but to record the reports.
I believe that I was one of the most active Fest players during January and december. And I could get only 35+wins (approx 35 wins out of 60 games). What makes me suspect these possible fake reporters is that I have seen these guys looking for fest games only in the last week. And they both have doubled me in wins. This what I do not understand.
I was online for 8hrs per day during whole January, but I hardly found ppl to play for Fest. I was able to get 3 games on my most lucky day. But these guys seem to get 1o wins per day in the last week (when nearly noone was willing to play Fest, except the ones who were near and in the top8)
I do not give .... about the prize, or winning the tourney. I am not happy to be in the finals, whereas whole fest thing was planned to be for fun
Becuz, some real festers have stayed out the finals because of these fake reporters. I wish Petrus had beaten me in the play off match instead of forfeiting ( I have not beaten him, he gave up saying that Fest is not fun anymore) This, way I could have told myself that "I lost to a real Fester who deserved and outplayed me out of the finals"
Finally, none of my friends think that Lich has anything to do with this sad and unjust situation.
Regards,
Madmartigan
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 15, 2002 01:57 AM |
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complaints on HC
In reference of hamsi posting his complaint and emails, remember in the future one can get into trouble for posting confidential material like this.
The honor council and myself are two separate entities, it first keeps me from burnout overload, by having volunteers taking care of honor issues, but also to keep from hearing 'vesuvius god' crap that I boot and make preference to players. However, in a case like hamsi's, any player if they dont like the judgement can still come to me afterwards, for me to at least hear the situation, since I do not get wind of most of these issues until it appears on hall of shame.
That way at least I know of the case, and in some cases, maybe look into the issue again. Hamsi's opponent has a core of dishonor to him, which I am witness of, and as Madmartigan says, best to simply put guys like these on a 'do not play list'. But this person is close to being heavily penalized and booted for other reasons anyways.
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Amazon_King
Hired Hero
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posted February 15, 2002 03:07 PM |
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Confidentiality
I can understand and agree with Vesuvius' last post stating that HC matters should be treated with proper confidentiality.
On the other hand, I was intrigued with the identity of XXXX as ToH lords are some of my potential game opponents, and I wouldn't like to waste my time playing with person with such a dubious character...
So I went researching on the rankings page and in less than 30 secs I was able to figure out who XXXX is and guess what? We had already played and I think it was only the only time in my ToH history I had to resort to HC to solve an honor issue...which by the way was handled perfectly by them.
Damn, I lost those 30secs, he was already on my no-play list! 
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2002 03:35 PM |
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i agree with the most stuff posted by ves, madmartigen and so on, but 1 thing i still dont get: why is this person not in the HOS yet, why is he only close to being booted?
specially if he has a dirty history too
i catch someone with 5 archs on main, i put him in the HOS the SAME DAY so no more peeps waste their time playing him, thats my oppinion, it cant be that its only considered to boot him or even only penalyze, jesus the save shows 5 archs with tower, titans upgraded on bfh and 35k left beginning week4...
players not reading this board or not knowing the 1 that is ment will still play him, HOS imo is a list that needs to be updated asap and not weeks later as it is now often
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Titan_888
Known Hero
Wind of Change
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posted February 15, 2002 05:11 PM |
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Totally agree with andi.... People on HOS should be there right away... and FOREVER BE THERE!!
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 16, 2002 02:00 AM |
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well as much as I like to, I cannot boot people on my own judgements, some of you know how that starts a crazy ruckus.
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Mad_Unicorn
Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
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posted February 16, 2002 03:42 AM |
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not only a rukus
but a international issue why not just delete the account for no reason and see what he says call it an accident
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted February 18, 2002 09:32 AM |
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Edited By: Hexa on 18 Feb 2002
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ok .. just being noosy I guess .. but will we be informed over the outcome of this issue?
I for one am a bit chocked to hear that higher ranked players are perhaps cheaters.
I was also surprised that a lot of players have those same high ranked players on there do not play list.
Luckily I haven't wasted 5 hours on a game which I though to be conspicious. Perhaps I have just been lucky?
Greetz
Hexa
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 19, 2002 01:39 AM |
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blacklist
In my mind, there are many players that fall into a 'blacklist'... these are players whom have had issues in the past, but not enough proof for any boot or reprimand. However, when an honor council issue comes up on them again, I spurt out all the dishonorable history to the HC, as added info on that person's character. It seems easier to remember the dishonorable types than the honorable ones.
However, to hexa: one way you can always be assured a honorable person, is to play someone with the honor medal, or best of all, with an MVP medal. These people can be trusted in every way. But honestly, most veteran players play very honest, there is more paranoia than anything else, generated by a nasty few.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 19, 2002 01:45 AM |
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Is there any way to be specific about honerable players, I played quite a few of players most only neutrally dishonerable but about 3 that were dishonerable, & they all have the honerable medal.
Is there any way to find more on history or yes no.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted February 19, 2002 04:48 AM |
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quote]Is there any way to be specific about honerable players?.
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?FID=2&TID=3347
i think this thread might be a good start.
an other way is to ask ur online friends if they knew the one u wanna start a game with before u do it. this might save ya from wasting time
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Well to me it seems clear now that that player won't be booted. i dont know why but i bet i am not the only one that thinks its the wrong decision.
Lets face the facts again :
-the player admited he played red in that game.
-the red player got 5 archangels week 3 on BFh without any castle on map
-the player has a dishonorable past
-the player should work for 3do ( his recource management on BFH is outstanding :Titans and all oter upgrades on BFH end week 3 and still nearly 40k left)
I'm damn mad that a cheating ass ( and his 2 trainer buddies ) can still play in toh .
But a few questions come to my mind when i think about it.
- would an other player have been booted if he had cheated in the same cheat way ?
- is it true what andi (a HC member for a long time) sais that there are some cheaters in TOH that are protected by ?
- can a HC member who hasn't even the game installed or played for month judge such a save/situation correctly ?
i hope some of the HC members and the TOH staff think about that questions and maybe can answer some of em.
A lot other long time TOH players and newer players just want some clarity.
Why gets player A the boot for mapediting and player B just gets a little penalty for the same thing ?
All players should be treated eqally. No matter if a newbie, a veteran or a Buddy of a HC member
I really hope for HOMM 4 TOH a HC member that doesn't play the game anymore will be immediatly removed, and we will have a HOMM4 HC that will be active and to their job with a bit more "energy".
Mad_Schaaf
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attila
Known Hero
Young Warrior
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posted February 19, 2002 05:10 AM |
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I aggree this motor. Why dose this guy still get to stay in
toh if there are saves and that SHOWING that he cheated.
To me thats crazy. Its like hes paying to stay in toh or
something. Mean while while more people lose to this guy.
People are doing nothin about it. ( atleast we know
about). I mean i think atleast u should delete his account.
 Attila
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Mad_Unicorn
Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
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posted February 19, 2002 05:14 AM |
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hehe call me an idiot :)
i cant for the life of me figure out "EXACTLY" who u guys are blabbing about but they wont boot him for the reasons they have given....
1. It would cause a Ruckus
2. It would cause an International Issue in Toh -Mad
3. HC likes cheaters
4. HC is inactive
5. Heroes 4 is on its way why bother dealing with this stuff?
6. They are high members in the white house or other heirarchy
7. They got pictures of Ves with other .... MEN!
8. They got non nude pictures of Mel so they must be crazy (atleast that what ves thinks)
9. They make up 20% of the active games in Toh
i like ranting on and on.
blah blah blah.....
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 19, 2002 08:33 AM |
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this got brought up on zone yesterday too, and it would be fun to know what had happend if a newbie in TOH got caught doing the same thing that XXXXX did.
As for HC members not playing, i dont think that matters so much as long as you know the game. Its much more important that they stay active as HC members then they play the game.
As for playing honorable players, in season 3 i saw that u could get a skull for being dishonest. Why dont the ex. cheaters here get that skull? im not saying that the ppl that has cheated here will do it again, what i am saying is that the new ppl here should know their history.
concerning this XXXXX player, where is the problem? As far as i have understand there are plenty of proof? Well i guess its non of my buisness but as motor&attila has mentioned the same rules should apply for all ppl.
/Stefan
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 19, 2002 08:47 AM |
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conspiracy theorists
motorshaaf, youre falling into the conspiracy theory mentality, which has sent many to the asylum (namely bonopart, annisoropos... remember him anyone?)
Anyways, nobody's protecting anyone, because HC doesnt give a damn. you guys keep bashing the honor council, but ive repeated myself many times, and if i have to use the 'you guys have no brain' terminology again....
If I decided to mark everyone who I didnt think were honorable in my eyes, youd see a lot of skull icons go up. But the point is im trying to avoid being the guy who selects and boots... its the HC's job.
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Mad_Unicorn
Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
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posted February 19, 2002 09:40 AM |
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in all honesty tho ves...
I haven't been around much but when i am i hear alot about issues never getting resolved in HC now really how efficient is that?
I would love to see a more active HC regardless who dont matter. I have never seen Elite since season 2 and deth pops in once every year or so to see if the game changed, Now we got prometheus okay i wonder how long it will take him to get burnt out by HC due to the fact of inactive HC members or HC'ers who dont have a clue about heroes gaming.
Deth should not overide 2 other members it should be majority vote but that cant happen if elite is not around ...
Make a new HC now get it over with and see what they can do now.
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