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avalon00x
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posted July 05, 2012 01:00 PM

They have sufficient for it not to overheat naturaly. but it is far from plenty. applying thermal paste from even a 50 cent tube will result in several degrees difference.

This dous still not take away that stock coolers are crap. And that if you want your cpu to last longer you should take a seperate one.

And it is obvious that the stock coolers are supplied with some paste but usualy this is a square that is stuck against the bottom of the cooler. Applying thermal paste before attaching even that stock cooler you should realy replace will save you a couple degrees.
If you dont believe me test it yourself.

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posted July 05, 2012 03:13 PM

Pentium 200MHz, Celeron 500, Celeron 800, Athlon 1000, Athlon 3000, Pentium IV 3Ghz, Core2Duo e4400...

Every single one overclocked. Every single one with a stock cooler. Every single one still running today. I can say that the box coolers are sufficient for running under loads, common sense agrees. It's mostly the silent part that differs. Pentium IV coolers, for example, were noisy.

40 dollars for a CPU cooler is a huge amount of money for practically nothing but a desibel or two.
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posted July 05, 2012 03:31 PM

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Pentium 200MHz, Celeron 500, Celeron 800, Athlon 1000, Athlon 3000, Pentium IV 3Ghz, Core2Duo e4400...

Every single one overclocked. Every single one with a stock cooler. Every single one still running today. I can say that the box coolers are sufficient for running under loads, common sense agrees. It's mostly the silent part that differs. Pentium IV coolers, for example, were noisy.

40 dollars for a CPU cooler is a huge amount of money for practically nothing but a desibel or two.


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The decibels are just one of the two mayor advantages the other one is temperature. I already said that they are sufficient but. If you are building your own pc of 1200 dollar , 20-40 Dollars to significantly reduce heat and increase cpu life. Especialy if you are using it for gaming it is not a bad investment and should certainly be considered.

so in case you did not get it the first time.
Yes a stock cooler is sufficient.
But proper seperate coolers are much better both in terms of noise temperature and cpu life.

Now believe it or not im just giving advice. Feel free to do with that what you want.

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posted July 05, 2012 03:38 PM

True.
A few degrees in difference of temperature has no practical effect on the CPU life.
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posted July 05, 2012 04:39 PM

Quote:
True.
A few degrees in difference of temperature has no practical effect on the CPU life.


The hotter it gets the shorter it lives.
But even the stock cooler will more likely than not keep it alive until it is outdated. But temperature certainly affect cpu life time.
Hency why i said that it is sufficient. But you never know if he wants to OC his cpu or play heavy games that keep the cpu working full force. In both cases a better fan will keep it in good shape for a longer time. And you can pick to get a more silent one or one that has nice lights.

Furthermore especialy the SSD will suffer from a hightened temperature of the cpu since this will increase the overal temperature of the pc.

If you are going for quality items there is no reason to risk one flimsy part breaking down the rest.

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posted July 05, 2012 10:54 PM

The stock coolers might or might not be good, it's pretty individual. I have a quad-core AMD Phenom on 3.4 Ghz, the stock cooler of which was so noisy that I had to swap it just because of this (you could hear it one room away with a thick wall in between when the CPU was heavily loaded). It mostly handled the heat but playing games was like in the 90s, when not every PC had a sound card (yup, the thing was that loud). On the other hand, my parent's new PC (some 1.5 year old) has dual-core Intel i5 (some 3 Ghz or so per core) with a VERY silent stock cooler which also keeps the temperature adequate even under pressure.
In addition, the case also plays a serious part in the cooling process, particularly its walls and built-in fans but this Rosewill Blackhawk things looks pretty capable of taking (away) the heat (I'm don't really like the thick walls though).
I'm not quite sure if 650W power supply will manage to handle so many goodies.

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posted July 07, 2012 03:17 AM

Is all this discussion about stock cooler related to my build?  I didn't include one because I was told that unless I was planning on overclocking the CPU (which I'm not, at least not now), it was unnecessary.  I figured I can always add one later if I decide to overclock, no?

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posted July 07, 2012 08:48 AM

Yes and yes.
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posted July 10, 2012 02:12 AM

Just curious -
Were you to suggest a supplemental cooler compatible with i5-3570k, what would you choose?
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posted July 10, 2012 08:39 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 08:44, 10 Jul 2012.

I'm using this. Not very expensive (about 33$ on the local market), does an excellent job even with a single fan and you can add an extra one if needed. Very silent, even with a heavily loaded CPU. Fits various sockets (i5 is listed) so the installation should not be a problem.
I'd suggest you to try the stock cooler and change it only if you don't like its performance (inefficient cooling, noise, etc.). Some motherboards allow you to view the CPU temperature in BIOS, otherwise you can use Everest or some freeware monitoring tool for testing.

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posted July 10, 2012 08:53 AM

Core Temp
GPU Observer

I use these ones to keep check on my temperatures, has handy gadgets on the desktop.


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avalon00x
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posted July 10, 2012 09:36 AM

I usualy just use rivatuner.
Especialy handy for those factory OC'd cards seeing as they tend to be a bit unstable in some games where turning them down a bit helps keep things stable.

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posted July 13, 2012 04:54 AM

Do you think 650W PSU is enough for the system I've outlined above, or should I move up to 750W?  Price starts to increase steeply for larger wattage, so if it's not necessary to go above 650W, then that'd be great.
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posted July 13, 2012 01:15 PM
Edited by Ghost at 13:24, 13 Jul 2012.

If you use two video cards. It will need more than 500w or the machine breaks down. The old information, but now you know if current is small. Power Supplies can be different, to purchase for an additional five years away. I have four power supplies in stock.
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posted July 13, 2012 04:06 PM

Here is a calculator from asus for that reason.
Recommended minimum power

Assuming you won't be running it at full power, 650 is enough. You should aim to have your PSU run at optimal 70-80% load under your most common usage, while taking the maximum into account of course.
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posted July 13, 2012 09:51 PM

I used that tool and came to around 600W.  So yes it seems 650W is enough, but is it ok to be so close?  That's kind of what I was wondering.

Reading around the web, people have very different opinions about large a PSU a person should buy.
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posted July 13, 2012 11:32 PM

650 is not an exact number a.k.a ok! Substance number is exceeded..
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posted July 14, 2012 07:40 AM

So I ordered all my parts today; sucks I gotta wait now like a week to get most of the stuff from Amazon.  But I guess that's the price of a good deal.

From the system I described above, I made some changes based on research.

I opted for a different case.  Got this one instead because I liked the understated look and Corsair is a rocking brand.  I also changed my power supply to this because it has better power efficiency and is supposedly better made.

I ditched the Blu-Ray player for a standard DVD/RW because I learned that decent Blu-Ray playback software is expensive and I don't plan on watching Blu-Rays on my computer anyway.  That alone saved me almost 70 dollars.  

And I went with a Viewsonic monitor in place of the ASUS because Amazon has a great deal on it.

Can't wait to assemble this thing; will post pics when it's done.  Finally I get to become disappointed by H6 like everyone else.
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posted July 17, 2012 01:54 PM
Edited by Adrius at 13:57, 17 Jul 2012.

*computer shuts down, monitor goes dead, CPU fan running 100%*

AAARGHGHGHGH, DAFUQ?! COMPUTER SURGEON TIME!

*30 minutes of experimenting later*

...

Loose video card, apparently likes popping out now and then.

Not sure I trust it'll keep in its spot now... I don't want my computer dying on me in the middle of some epic Shogun 2 LAN...
I think the right-most part of it is weighed down by the fan and wiring... any ideas on securing it?


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avalon00x
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posted July 17, 2012 04:40 PM

Use screws to screw it into place in the holes designed for that purpose, some computers use clips instead. The back part should be unable to get loose since it is stuck in your pci slot.

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