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Dave_Jame
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posted October 07, 2012 09:06 PM

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Just a thought: Since Haven had Glories (which were like Light Elementals), and Sanctuary had Spring Spirits (which were like Water Elementals), I would consider the possibility that they would reuse the Darkness Elemental model for one of the Dungeon Elite creatures.


Even if this shoudl no be forgoten, I think Ubi had enought negative featback with Glories and Mizu kami that they will hopefully take a leson and avoid it. There is a high probability that Cate's model will be used for the black dragon, this could actually be accepted. Another Elemental copy on the other hand would only start a fanrage and bad feedback.

I approve of Properkheldar's purposal. This is how I would imagine the dungeon faction. Even if the matriarch actually would be a hero. A Spellcaster, should be there, the Faceless can substitude it, but even so, there should also be an Elit darkelf.
The naga are the faction with the most variable set of creatures. But even they have 2 nagas, Once core and one elite. This should also be in the darkelf setup.

@ War-overlord. The only option I see now, how the Minotaur could became an elite, would be if the Faceless was a Champion. But since most people agree that the BBBD wil be the one (Big bad black Dragon), i just can't see how this could be right now. Minotaur is un my mind the perfect heavy core hitter, like the Crusher or Wamizane.

But all we can (and will) do now is speculate.

I just hope Ubi wont be the "Save all you can". In the worst option. we would have a "Small Dragom, Faceles, Darkness elemental recolor and Lamasu recolor"
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samir
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posted October 07, 2012 09:22 PM
Edited by samir at 21:41, 07 Oct 2012.

I hope there won't be a dragon on top, I hope the faceless or the hydra will be the champion.

Minotaurs should be elite, because in now way they are weaker than centaurs...

I hope they can be more original and skip the sorceress-too much darkelves units and be more original.

And rebringing shadow elementals into this faction would be kinda cheap, or won't it?

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ChrisD1
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posted October 07, 2012 09:27 PM

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I hope there won't be a dragon on top, I hope the faceless or the hydra will be the champion.

Minotaurs should be elite, because in now way they are weaker than centaurs...

I hope they can be more original and skip the sorceress-too much darkelves units and be more creative.

And rebringing shadow elementals into this faction would be kinda cheap, or won't it?


it will be cheap like the water elementals and the light elementals have the same model with spring spirits and  radiant glories respectively!
yes i think dragons are kinda over here, faceless looks like the new champion for me! as for the dark elves don't forget that the dungeon in ashan is all about the dark elves. i think two units of dark elves would be fine. more creatures from the H3 dungeons and maybe a witch or an assasin for the H5 legacy?

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samir
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posted October 07, 2012 09:43 PM
Edited by samir at 21:43, 07 Oct 2012.

Hi Chris thanks for reply to me!

I don't like more sexi female units, as tehre are so many of them in the original game, I think they should make the dark elves male or maybe pick troglodytes or other creatures instead.

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ChrisD1
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posted October 07, 2012 09:52 PM

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Hi Chris thanks for reply to me!

I don't like more sexi female units, as tehre are so many of them in the original game, I think they should make the dark elves male or maybe pick troglodytes or other creatures instead.


lol come on the only female that looks a little naked is the radiant/blazing glory the other ones are too dressed or kinda messed up
still elves are known for the equality of gender! hahahah! i think one witch wouldn't make a difference. i mean half of the dungeon creatures seem genderless if the compenduum is right (manticore, minotaur, beholder, faceless, and lets hope hydras) so the two remaining units would not be both female.

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Endbringer
Endbringer


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posted October 07, 2012 09:55 PM



Cate's model for Magic Hero maybe?

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ChrisD1
ChrisD1


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posted October 07, 2012 09:58 PM

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Just a thought: Since Haven had Glories (which were like Light Elementals), and Sanctuary had Spring Spirits (which were like Water Elementals), I would consider the possibility that they would reuse the Darkness Elemental model for one of the Dungeon Elite creatures.


actually i think they already did that with the faceless. the similarity is not of the same scale as the ones you mentioned but it's still a black shadowy mass hovering around in a human shape. as for the magic hero model they are too lazy to create a new one so possibly yes
and to all those who have problem with the color purple, we have an excellent modder here who i think if asked nicely would be willing to help. my personal opinion is that i like purple and it suits them just fine!

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War-overlord
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posted October 07, 2012 10:42 PM

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@ War-overlord. The only option I see now, how the Minotaur could became an elite, would be if the Faceless was a Champion. But since most people agree that the BBBD wil be the one (Big bad black Dragon), i just can't see how this could be right now. Minotaur is un my mind the perfect heavy core hitter, like the Crusher or Wamizane.

Not necesarily.
With a Black Dragon as Champion, Elite tier can be populated by Minotaurs(Heavy hitters), Manitcores(Flying Assault+Poison) and Faceless(Magic/Casters). Leaving the Core tier for the Shadow Lurkers(Magic-Melee), Crossbow Archer Dark Elves(The compendium goes on and on about how DE's love their Crossbows) and a Second Dark Elf (Light Melee) .
It can be doable. Dark Elves aren't that Numerous, as they've only recently moved to Ygg-Chall and that after 2 devastating wars. In some ways they are still like Elves and Elves never inhabited higher tiers.
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Miru
Miru


Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
posted October 07, 2012 10:42 PM

Heroes 1: Centaur tier 1
Heroes 2: Centaur tier 1
Heroes 3: Centaur tier 1
Heroes 4: Centaur tier 1
Heroes 5: Centaur tier 2
Heroes 6: Centaur tier~5
Heroes 7: Centaur tier 7
Heroes 8: Centaur neutral boss unit
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Endbringer
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posted October 07, 2012 10:44 PM



This is from the Forge April Fool's joke. It's probably what the Minotaur will look like... except without the machine gun... and the jetpack.

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War-overlord
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posted October 07, 2012 10:49 PM

Which rather shows, and I've been meaning to bring this up, how long this expansion has been in the planning and/or making.
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GenyaArikado
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posted October 08, 2012 12:26 AM

And given the original "6 factions vanilla+3 other factions later" is not surprising.

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blob2
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted October 08, 2012 12:38 AM

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Which rather shows, and I've been meaning to bring this up, how long this expansion has been in the planning and/or making.


I think that it's quite possible that Dungeon and Academy factions were meant to be available in the vanilla game. This was even confirmed in a post by a supposed BH staff member, which made quite a ruckus a while back. If this post was not a provocation that is. Ubisoft rushing the game's release is probably the reason why they didn't make it in time. There is probably some truth in what the players speculate, that the base for those factions was probably already created to some extent. Because of the situation with BH, Ubisoft decided (to milk us of course) that what we will get instead will be the adventure packs (steady flow of cash is what matters most). Those dlc's have their own merits, but are very poor in terms of additional content and feel rushed. Let's hope that the situation will change after the release of Dungeon ep, and that we will receive two or three more factions after that, though we are already, like, a year behind the schedule...

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Endbringer
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posted October 08, 2012 01:41 AM

Yeah, I think Academy was originally going to be in vanilla. Here's an early design of the Rakshasa:


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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted October 08, 2012 11:40 AM

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I think that it's quite possible that Dungeon and Academy factions were meant to be available in the vanilla game. This was even confirmed in a post by a supposed BH staff member, which made quite a ruckus a while back. If this post was not a provocation that is. Ubisoft rushing the game's release is probably the reason why they didn't make it in time. There is probably some truth in what the players speculate, that the base for those factions was probably already created to some extent. Because of the situation with BH, Ubisoft decided (to milk us of course) that what we will get instead will be the adventure packs (steady flow of cash is what matters most). Those dlc's have their own merits, but are very poor in terms of additional content and feel rushed. Let's hope that the situation will change after the release of Dungeon ep, and that we will receive two or three more factions after that, though we are already, like, a year behind the schedule...

Academy certainly, vestiges of this faction have been datamined out of the game-files.
I think Dungeon was meant as the expansion faction from the beginning.

But let us not forget why the game was rushed to release. Yes, Ubisoft rushed the game and yea, that was done to create revenue. But the reason that this revenue was "needed", was not out of money-grubbingness. It was because Black Hole was messing up. They were missing their deadlines, going over budget and in the whole project overestimating their own capabilities. BH's bankrupcy was foreshadowed long before it happened. So the rush was done to minimize the losses instead of flushing the whole project down the toilet.
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blob2
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posted October 08, 2012 12:07 PM
Edited by blob2 at 12:08, 08 Oct 2012.

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It was because Black Hole was messing up. They were missing their deadlines, going over budget and in the whole project overestimating their own capabilities. BH's bankrupcy was foreshadowed long before it happened. So the rush was done to minimize the losses instead of flushing the whole project down the toilet.


So the question is: why Ubisoft made a decision to entrust such a beloved franchise into their hands? They have many other, more capable game developers to choose from I believe.

I don't want to sound ungrateful (I probably am, they did save the franchise afterall), but we are quite unlucky as fans, that Ubisoft made so many bad decisions about the series. First the decision to entrust the development of Heroes 5 to Nival, which I was very fond of at the the beginning, but they simply didn't deliver for me. Overall, I was disappointed with the game, it's the only Heroes game I'm not eager to go back to (crabby Initiative Bar being one of them). And now Heroes 6 which still has a chance to be a great game, but the bad taste from this whole yearlong bug fixing process and DRM will always linger around it. The reason behind this is probably that the franchise is not very profitable in comparison to other Ubisoft trademarks...

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Avirosb
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posted October 08, 2012 12:14 PM

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They were missing their deadlines

The alleged ex-Black Hole employee wrote this:
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Just an example, the final story script - which was UBI responsibility - was delivered to BH after 27 months... while originally there was 24 months for the whole development. No comment.
So it seems there was a general lack of communication going on.
And judging by Ubi's past rep, that's not entirely surprising.

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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted October 08, 2012 12:54 PM

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The reason behind this is probably that the franchise is not very profitable in comparison to other Ubisoft trademarks...

Well, that is exactly the point. Heroes is a niche market. A rather big niche perhaps, but a niche still. Heroes isn't a AAA-Franchise, so it does not get AAA-budgets. It has to make due with a smaller budget because otherwise there would be no profit margins.
Which is also the reason why the development is outsourced to smaller/cheaper studios. Instead of the inhouse development the AAA-titles warrant.

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The alleged ex-Black Hole employee wrote this:
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Just an example, the final story script - which was UBI responsibility - was delivered to BH after 27 months... while originally there was 24 months for the whole development. No comment
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So it seems there was a general lack of communication going on.
And judging by Ubi's past rep, that's not entirely surprising.

I have little doubt that there were mistakes made on both sides of the "BH-UBI conflict" and that both sides deserve an ammount of blame.
However, you've hit the nail right on the head. "The alleged ex-Black Hole employee wrote.." We have no credentials for this person. And the fact that he presents himself as a disgruntled employee, makes any agrument he makes practically per definition lopsided.
Also, those who have been in the multiply extended BETA have seen that the process then was extremly slow. Which favors the argument that BH was in over its head. That being said, the process is still slow now, with Limbic. Though that has to be augmented with the details that they are working on other peoples code and AFAIK their team is smaller than BH's was.
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
posted October 08, 2012 01:00 PM

Black Hole's team was too small so Ubi decided to switch to an even smaller team? Uh...

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Anna
Anna


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Dazzling Light Incarnation
posted October 08, 2012 02:37 PM
Edited by Anna at 14:38, 08 Oct 2012.

I know there's too little info as of now but I want to ask about that "standalone" stuff. I get it I won't need H6 vanilla to play the expansion, but is it going to have just 1 campaign? Are the vanilla skirmish maps going to be included in it? Are there going to be new ones? I mean what is it going to be like purchasing 1/6 of the vanilla content or it will have enough content in it to make it worth leaving H6 on the shelf?

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