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william
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posted May 26, 2013 01:27 AM |
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I personally think that games back then were much better. Don't get me wrong, however, games nowadays are very fun for me but I think they lack something. I also think back then they were more challenging. I don't give a crap about graphics, I care more about gameplay and I think that is one of the bigger issues I have with games nowadays.
That isn't me saying that games nowadays solely focus on graphics however back then, they didn't have the technology to make the best graphics so they sort of had to focus on gameplay. I think I have more fun as well when I play older games, there's just something with them that makes it more fun and enjoyable. Whether it be for nostalgic purposes or atmosphere or gameplay or just how hard some of them could be, I always find myself coming back to them.
I think there have been more crap come out in the last decade than what there was in the 90s but that's just me preferring older games. 
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posted May 26, 2013 02:30 AM |
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when it comes to FPS, the trend seems to be slower paced games requiring less skills. a CoD can be quite fast paced since you kill people in like 2 bullets, but it's not like a quake or unreal tournament.
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carcity
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posted May 26, 2013 03:04 AM |
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Ni no Kuni was released outside japan a few months ago, it can easily compete with old jrpg titles, like FFVII, being just as good, if not better in certain areas.
Twilight Princess and Windwaker are just as good as Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past.
Oblivion is a game for the history books, yet the ones who remember Arena or Daggerfall are few and far between.
Sure, you might've enjoyed pacman, but how many hours have you spent playing it compared to, say, Sonic Generations released last year (which sold better and is debatably even more popular than the old sonic games)?
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Vindicator
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posted May 26, 2013 04:49 AM |
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A random new game coming out by indie developer which looks absolutely amazing, both graphically and in gameplay. There are probably dozens of games like this out there that are just as good as the old ones and look a lot better.
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Drakon-Deus 
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posted May 26, 2013 05:59 AM |
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Yeah, except it's cooler to whine about the good old days, it always has been.
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gnomes2169
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posted May 26, 2013 06:25 AM |
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I'd say the general trend in strategy/rpg games now is dumbing down. While Mass Effect 3 is a good game, it was dumbed down from ME2, which was dumbed down from ME. Dragon Age 2 was dumbed down from DA AND the same dungeon and house were used over and over, with just different blockades/locked doors. Diablo3, a shadow of Diablo 2. HOMM6, dumbed down.
I don't know that this trend holds true to all game series, man. The newest Fire Emblems have been a hell of a lot harder and have been getting progressively deeper story lines as time goes on. (For instance, the Easy mode of Radiant Dawn (#10) is easily harder than the Hard mode of Sacred Stones (#8)) But I have to agree, most games do get dumbed down and are targeted towards the more "Casual" gamers. (Boooooo)
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Doomforge
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posted May 26, 2013 10:51 AM |
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I heard that 10 years ago, I hear it now, I'll hear it after 20 years if I'm still alive.
Nostalgia makes people really biased
I'd recommend indie developers if you want to feel "the good old times".
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JoonasTo
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posted May 26, 2013 05:54 PM |
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Have you tried to actually play Baldur's Gate 2 recently without any third party mods or patches?
HOLY snowING BUGFEST BATMAN!
The UI sucks!
It's got confusing graphics with hard to make out items, characters and space.
It would get horrible ratings today, the game is simply horribly, horribly executed. snow like that wouldn't fly today. It did then and it was considered a great game even though most couldn't get past the first level of the dungeon untill needing to restart because of bugs.
So I'm quite happy with the modern standards of actually having playable games...
...even if 95% of them are still not worth playing.
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Doomforge
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posted May 26, 2013 06:35 PM |
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BG2 wasn't even a good game to begin with 
And the UI was terrible from day one. Right now it's beyond terrible.
The worst part is the rest-recast system. If you have many party members, you'll need to recast buffs on them periodically. You can cast 1 spell every 6 seconds. Now, of you want to cast many single-target buffs on your team, it may as well take several minutes... which you need to repeat very often. Honestly, I would not endure it the second time.
There's also absolutely no indicator for the radius of the spells, making you wonder if they are going to catch up your team in or not, i.e. when casting fireball. Don't tell me you can't draw a circle on the screen showing the radius... @_@
My strong contender for the worst UI in a RPG ever.
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yogi
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posted May 26, 2013 06:50 PM |
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Ni no Kuni was released outside japan a few months ago, it can easily compete with old jrpg titles, like FFVII, being just as good, if not better in certain areas.
The difference is that at the time, FFVII was massively innovative (ie. "did it first"). Ni No Kuni is good solely because everything that Studio Ghibli does is a masterpiece, by definition. However you are "competing" it against FFVII for a reason, and a good one at that.
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Twilight Princess and Windwaker are just as good as Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past.
No they are not. Especially given that again, Ocarina of Time "did it first". A Link to the Past is simply one of the best games ever designed - standing apart from almost every other video game ever made, in a league which stands the test of time; like solitaire. Nintendo truly is king.
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Oblivion is a game for the history books, yet the ones who remember Arena or Daggerfall are few and far between.
Everyone I know who played Daggerfall thinks Oblivion is horrible by comparison. Personally, by that time MMO's offered the same game-play and were much more engaging.
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Sure, you might've enjoyed pacman, but how many hours have you spent playing it compared to, say, Sonic Generations released last year (which sold better and is debatably even more popular than the old sonic games)?
While Sonic Generations is indeed a beautiful game (especially on a large 3D TV), the main game-play mechanics are again based off of the innovations of the initial games. Personally, I find Sonic 2 to be the most refined of the series. Given the nature of the mechanics in the Sonic games, this is probably just due to level design.
Again, Pacman did it first. Notice a trend? Game designers used to be sociologists and innovators, now gaming is an "industry" of producers and imitators. Mass Effect is simply incomparable to Super Metroid. Having played each of them for roughly a hundred hours, I still find Metroid to be far more fun: and this is the ultimate determinant of how well designed a game is.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted May 26, 2013 06:53 PM |
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I was never a fan of the elder scrolls games, I much prefer stuff like Planescape.
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william
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posted May 26, 2013 10:16 PM |
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Twilight Princess and Windwaker are just as good as Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past.
Sure, you might've enjoyed pacman, but how many hours have you spent playing it compared to, say, Sonic Generations released last year (which sold better and is debatably even more popular than the old sonic games)?
Don't be bloody stupid. Ocarina of Time is one of the greatest games of all time. As good as Majora's Mask was, it had nothing on OoT and Twilight Princess and Windwaker certainly have nothing on either of those two games.
And the old Sonic games are extremely popular and are ten times better than Generations. The new one just lacked something.
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carcity
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posted May 27, 2013 03:56 PM |
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Using "they did it first" as an argument is stupid. Just because it came out ahead doesn't mean it's better, nor was FFVII (I'll keep using this as an example) THE first, meaning they're shameless copycats as well. They didn't do it first, they just did it good, like lots have done both before and after that.
And William, each to his own, but I preferred WW over OoT.
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posted May 27, 2013 03:58 PM |
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It's nice to see you around again cityboy but please stop being stupid, WW was nothing like OoT in terms of greatness. 
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carcity
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posted May 27, 2013 04:03 PM |
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I would say OoT is a horrid, bug-ridden mess, but so is just about every zelda game.
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JoonasTo
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posted May 27, 2013 05:00 PM |
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That would be a very weird statement seeing as the only bugs I've ever heard anyone encountering were purposefully caused. (fisherman hat, floating on the hylian shield, playing the game without picking up the kokiri sword)
Never encountered a single bug in any Zelda game myself with Spirit tracks and Skyward sword being the only ones I haven't played.
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carcity
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posted May 27, 2013 06:26 PM |
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I've encountered a few, fewer than in, say, Skyrim, but they've been there nonetheless. I'm not saying OoT is a bad game, I love it. Just saying, that just like FFVII and FFX, it's slightly overrated, what with fans more or less praising the game and game devs as deities.
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JoonasTo
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posted May 27, 2013 06:37 PM |
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There are very few shortcoming in the game. Unlike in, say, Mass Effect 1. Both are great games with excellent main game elements but OoT does not fail in any of the less important areas like Mass Effect does which makes it superior.
Twilight princess was quite good but the boos were a lot more annoying to collect than the golden skulltulas were. For that reason alone it only gets 7/10 from me.
I didn't like Majora's Mask for the very same reason. Collecting all the masks takes a ridiculous amount of (useless) work. A great game to play through but not nearly as great to complete.
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yogi
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posted May 27, 2013 06:57 PM |
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Just because it came out ahead doesn't mean it's better,
Agreed, but innovation is infinitely more impressive than polish, requiring a much more developed mind to facilitate. What does makes a game better than another is how well it nurtures the recesses of the human psyche (how fun and educational it is, to how many people, and for how long). All good games are elegant mysteries in one form or another. The first time a mystery is solved is the most rewarding. The first time a mystery is created is the most impressive.
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nor was FFVII (I'll keep using this as an example) THE first, meaning they're shameless copycats as well. They didn't do it first, they just did it good, like lots have done both before and after that.
The style and scale of FFVII had never even been attempted before... it practically defined a hardware generation. We are still using it as the bar for a reason, because it is still that much more fun. Timeless and elegant, like solitaire, I could pick it up and play it again right now. Mass Effect - no thanks. It's good, but once was enough (monotony) for me.
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carcity
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posted May 27, 2013 07:32 PM |
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It's hard to be innovative when everything's already been invented. There're only so many things one can come up with. I agree, Nomura did a fine job on FFVII, but in essence, all he did was polish what was left after FFVI, which many hardcore fans deem even better than VII.
I never bothered with collecting the boos in TP, but nonetheless, it was an awesome game. Except for some annoying golden bugs that were impossible to find.
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