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xerox
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posted November 12, 2013 08:48 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:51, 12 Nov 2013.
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Should public schools be illegal?
Pauline Dixon at the Newcastle University has been researching private low-cost schools in the slums of India and African countries. What she has found is that these provide better education at a lower cost than public schools. Research on the subject also disproves the notion that private education is exclusive to the rich. In fact, poor people in the slums often make the choice not to attend public schools, despite these being free of tutition fees.
Private schools being cheaper and better than public schools without having a significant negative impact on the accessability of education raises the question: What is the point of public education? And should they, with these inefficient tendencies in mind, be made illegal?
An interesting TedxTalk from her on the subject.
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posted November 12, 2013 08:50 PM |
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Sure, make public schooling everywhere illegal because private schools are doing better than public ones in poverty stricken countries.
What a shocker.
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posted November 12, 2013 09:04 PM |
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If public schools were made illegal,that means:
First-the price of the private schools would rise again because no alternative would exist,and you will see the private schools provide worse education in result;
Second-thousands of teachers would be left without a job and the social casualties would be REALLY disastrous.
Many efficient tendencies and programs would be terminated.
This proposal for me looks more like carelessness for the education system,instead of providing something valuable.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted November 12, 2013 09:06 PM |
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Absolutely not. The mere suggestion is ridiculous. If we were to eliminate public education, billions would be barred from access to education. Money should not be more of a barrier to education than it already is.
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posted November 12, 2013 09:36 PM |
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I disapprove of this topic. No seriously, you honestly feel that public education should be banned? really?
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mvassilev
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posted November 12, 2013 10:01 PM |
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This is an interesting topic that I don't know much about. I don't think it's right to jump down Xerox's throat like this, though. But also, it's not necessary to make public schools illegal. Just defund them for the same effect.
Of course, the response from the OSM is highly predictable. Public education is a sacred cow.
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posted November 12, 2013 10:11 PM |
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I think public education needs to be improved rather than gotten rid of, private schools will have higher averages because the people going to them have incentive to learn (or their parents do) while with public schools you get kids and parents who just don't care.
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posted November 12, 2013 10:17 PM |
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Equally predictable as the love for privatization from certain members. Please elaborate why for example in Finland, ranked one of the best educations world wide, should privatize our system?
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xerox
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posted November 12, 2013 10:45 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 22:53, 12 Nov 2013.
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Darkshadow said:
Sure, make public schooling everywhere illegal because private schools are doing better than public ones in poverty stricken countries.
Why should the situation be any different in any other country?
master_learn said:
If public schools were made illegal,that means:
First-the price of the private schools would rise again because no alternative would exist,and you will see the private schools provide worse education in result;
Wait, what? I don't get that logic at all. If public schools were being made illegal, there would obviously be an explosion of private schools to fill the gap. The supply of private schools and the ensuring competition between them would lower fees. Like this research shows, it is very likely these would end up being way cheaper than public schools.
OmegaDestroyer said:
Absolutely not. The mere suggestion is ridiculous. If we were to eliminate public education, billions would be barred from access to education. Money should not be more of a barrier to education than it already is.
But the research I linked points at your assumption not being a likely scenario. Billions wouldn't be barred access from education. Rather, it is more likely, that the school fees would be lower than what people pay to fund public schools in taxes. Complaining about money doesn't make any sense. Money does not disappear just because it's a public school.
Minion said:
I disapprove of this topic. No seriously, you honestly feel that public education should be banned? really?
If private schools can be proved to provide better education at a lower cost, then what's the point of public schools?
Vindicator said:
I think public education needs to be improved rather than gotten rid of, private schools will have higher averages because the people going to them have incentive to learn (or their parents do) while with public schools you get kids and parents who just don't care.
The public schools in these countries keep getting more funding through taxes and foreign aid. Yet this reearch shows that the increased funding does not make the public schools improve. Meanwhile, private schools outperform these much better funded public schools at a fraction of their cost.
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Please elaborate why for example in Finland, ranked one of the best educations world wide, should privatize our system?
Are there any private schools in Finland to compare with? Finland's public school system performs very well but we have hundreds of other public school systems which do not.
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posted November 12, 2013 10:48 PM |
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The public schools in these countries keep getting more funding through taxes and foreign aid. Yet this reearch shows that the increased funding does not make the public schools improve. Meanwhile, private schools outperform these much better funded public schools at a fraction of their cost.
Well the funding isn't directed toward the right things, nor are the schools receiving the majority of the money the ones that really need it. The high school in the area I live recently rebuilt the entire science department (I'm talking last year) and now they've decided to rebuild the entire school completely, and are planning on finishing in three years.
Like what was even the point?
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xerox
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posted November 12, 2013 10:57 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 23:43, 12 Nov 2013.
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Yeah, that's the problem with relentlessly funding public institutions. The money is more often than not spent in highly inefficient ways. That does not happen in a private school where funding has to be spent efficiently to maximize customer happiness (good education at a low price) and through that, profits.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:00 PM |
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I agree, public education should be illegal, it is more expensive to run and far less efficient and effective than setting up a good "low" cost private school. I had a look at the management of the public school that I studied at and my college, and it is an utter bureaucratic mess, what's worse is the national targets, children are laboured to meet targets and targets, rather than teachers catering to the students, teachers are regulated by a really **** board that just doesn't give a ****, meaning that crap teachers continue to plague schools, while good teachers rely on doing it their own way. It's the decent teachers that suffer, and they want to help, they want to love what they do, and some make do, but between the **** pay and this horrible mess, the teachers I spoke to feel powerless and insignificant. So yes, I believe that public schooling should be banned, period, I wouldn't be surprised if our public schooling system would be in breach of human rights.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:07 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 23:08, 12 Nov 2013.
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And on the other hand you have private schools that treat children like moneybags, with directors pulling out of business when their stocks are most profitable, forcing children to switch schools due to greed, or "smart business" as I'm sure some would call it.
Both public and private can work with the right regulations, but it does NEED regulation when the ones you are providing service to are children.
It's not the place for some kinda free market.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:08 PM |
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xerox said:
Are there any private schools in Finland to compare with? Finland's public school system performs very well but we have hundreds of other public school systems which do not.
So if some don't fare well, it should be banned everywhere?
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posted November 12, 2013 11:17 PM |
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where are students treat like moneybags?
any evidence for that?
because the parents can still choose to which private school they go.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:36 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 23:37, 12 Nov 2013.
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It's happened in Sweden, private schools whose owners are in other countries suddenly deciding "**** it" and just selling their business.
And the ones who get that "choice" are middle class or higher parents with a bit of money, they can AFFORD to be choosy. People with money were never the issue to begin with.
It's the kids who are less fortunate that need to be looked after. In a private world of schooling they'll get the lower end of the deal just for having the misfortune in a dice roll of destiny.
I don't consider that fair. Rather, a public school system aimed at providing equal opportunities for all children should be aimed at, something that a private system cannot ever provide because PROFIT will always be a factor.
You can play the "people will not choose schools with bad standards and they will go bankrupt" or something card, but that's not reality. CHOICE is a privilege of the WEALTHY. Reality is that the school will become cheaper to attend to, and therefore children of lower income families will flock to it.
And there ya go, effing class segregation and ****.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:47 PM |
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Like I said though, both can work with the right regulations.
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xerox
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posted November 12, 2013 11:49 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 23:53, 12 Nov 2013.
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It's not the place for some kinda free market.
Why? The unregulated private schools in the Indian slums seem to be doing good.
Minion said:
xerox said:
Are there any private schools in Finland to compare with? Finland's public school system performs very well but we have hundreds of other public school systems which do not.
So if some don't fare well, it should be banned everywhere?
If it can be proven that private schools, no matter the country, are more likely to succeed at lower costs - then why not?
Adrius: I do not agree with you at all. Sweden's school choice does not cause segregation - it breaks it. But that's irrelevant because we do not share the same definition of a private school. The schools you talk about are not private. They are funded by taxes, not tuition fees. Which gives them the same problems as public schools.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:55 PM |
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You have not proven that! You are just selling your ideology. Again.
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posted November 12, 2013 11:58 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 00:01, 13 Nov 2013.
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I have cited sources giving strong reason to believe that is the case in the slums of India and several African countries. Maybe you could provide an example of a country where public schools outperform private schools? Spotaneously, I can't think of any.
So far the thread's thesis stands unchallenged: Private schools are generally better and more affordable than public schools.
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