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artu
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posted January 21, 2014 12:15 PM
Edited by artu at 12:16, 21 Jan 2014.

Suicide

Okay, a few posts in another thread (which are in the VW and will be deleted in a few weeks) gave me the idea to start this one. Have you ever thought of suicide (as a fantasy does not count), has anyone close to you ever commited suicide, do you think it should be legal to kill yourself, do you think euthanasia is suicide, why do you think the Abrahamic religions consider it a sin, in short, what are your general thoughts on the issue? I'll carry here a few posts on the subject for openers.

Miru said:
NoobX said:
You know, I'm in one of those suicide-is-my-only-option periods. Don't push my buttons.


Oh mothersnowing puhleeeze kid

You have no idea how far from suicide you are

The scale is something like

10 Happy
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5 Normal
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0 Bummed
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-5 Often Depressed
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-10 Suicidal Thoughts
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-15 More Suicidal Thoughts
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-20 Frequent Suicidal Thoughts and feeble attempt or two
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-25 Thinking about suicide several times a day and attempting it multiple times in a month

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I'm not sure how much further the scale goes until you actually hate your life enough to succeed, but I think you have to literally give up all hope. It is literally the hardest thing to do. Your brain is hardwired at the most fundamental level for survival.


fred79 said:
Miru said:

I'm not sure how much further the scale goes until you actually hate your life enough to succeed, but I think you have to literally give up all hope. It is literally the hardest thing to do. Your brain is hardwired at the most fundamental level for survival.


i don't know, i think climbing mount everest would be more difficult. suicide is just a trigger-pull away, or a nice warm bath and a sharp knife. i mean, there are a multitude of easy ways to kill oneself. i could post a link or two, if i was a cold-blooded snow. but i'm not.

you have to keep in mind that kids kill themselves too, and with greater and greater frequency. just because they(and almost all) suicidal people lack a certain perspective, doesn't make their pain unreal. sure, because someone didn't get a job or "the girl" is no reason to redecorate the walls with one's brains, but people do it, because they lack perspective.

they think they can end their pain by getting rid of their life. and they are correct, but they fail to realize that it is a permanent solution to pain's temporary problem(however cliche that sounds).

noobx, pull yourself up by your nuthairs. slap yourself around a little. a little self-abuse will get you out of this slump. it'll help you to snap out of it, and it might just get you angry enough to do something to improve your life, so that you don't feel like there is nothing you can do. far from it, you have the ability to do whatever you set your mind to(within the realm of your intellect and physical abilities, of course). many people get more intelligent with age(or at least more knowledgable), and as time goes along, you might realize how wrong you were in the past, perspective-wise. hang in there, man. life doesn't always suck. sometimes it ****ing rocks.


artu said:
I dont know Miru, it's obvious Noobx is joking but apart from that, I had two friends who commited suicide back in my twenties, both were heavy drug users so I was never sure if it was part of that bohemian "live fast-die young" BS or if they were actually that depressed... I wasnt around them during their very final days but both of them were not people who looked depressed all the time. Actually, most of the time they looked like they were just hanging around like the rest of us.  My ex girl friend was a psychiatrist and she told me never to take a suicide cry lightly, that sometimes, it makes all the difference when people are on the edge, and it really can be a matter of seconds.


And a sociological obsevation by JJ, just for salt and pepper:
JollyJoker said:

WESTERN morals are (still) massively influencd by GOD'S WORD. Take for example suicide. It's been considered a big, big sin, so it's immoral. In the Japanese culture, however, the only moral in connection with suicide has been that you can somewhat eradicate shame with it: you screwed up -> you can make up for it by ending your existence which follows the underlying morals that if you screw up your whole "clan" loses face which isn't ok for the clan, so you are voluntarily sacrificing yourself as an individual for the greater good of your "clan".




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posted January 21, 2014 12:27 PM

Quote:
-25 Thinking about suicide several times a day and attempting it multiple times in a month


You can't attempt suicide several times a month, attempt means you actually fire the gun but survive. You probably mean backing out at the last moment. Also, you don't think of it several times a day, you think of it constantly.

If you cross the road you wanna live but if you really wanna go it's up the highway. Don't snow it up.

Oh and an elvin quote fits here nicely:
"Back in the good old days if you felt angsty you stabbed others not yourself. We are losing traditional values here!"
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posted January 21, 2014 02:23 PM

from the vw:

fred79 said:
The_Polyglot said:
Just a hypothetical question fred: What if the pain is just as permanent and untreatable as the solution?


it's all very simple, poly. no matter how much life might seem to suck, death is far worse. dead, you can't eat yummy food, or yummy pussy. you can't pet kitty cats, hear them purr, feel their warm fuzziness, or play with them. you can't sleep, and dream beautiful dreams(where even if you cannot stand life, dreams are an escape). you can't watch beautiful sunsets, or sunrises. you can't feel a cool breeze when it's hot, or sit in warmth, drinking hot cocoa, when a winter storm is raging outside. you can't smell delightful things, like fresh baked apple pie or chocolate chip cookies, or the scents of a woman. you can't love, or be loved. you can't laugh until you cry, when you're dead. i can go on and on and on with this. i think you get the picture.

death doesn't have any of those things. therefore, death is never the better option. even when life seems bleak, you just need to look at the little things, because the little things are what really matter. those little things are where true happiness lie.


artu said:
Have you ever thought of suicide (as a fantasy does not count), has anyone close to you ever commited suicide, do you think it should be legal to kill yourself, do you think euthanasia is suicide, why do you think the Abrahamic religions consider it a sin, in short, what are your general thoughts on the issue?


yes, i have thought of suicide(old news), came close to it more than a few times(also old news). my mom had a cousin who committed suicide. my old best friend made a mockery of suicide with repeated "attempts"(he kept telling people he would do it beforehand, so that they could "talk him out of it"). i had a distant acquaintance who killed himself; i'm sure there are other people i've met that have, as most of my friends have been of the "moody" type. there's been a lot of self-abusers in my past group of friends. cutting, burning, general self-destruction. some of them have claimed that they are "killing themselves really slow". i don't hang out with them anymore, for obvious reasons.

i think it's both hilarious and really sad when people try to bring legality into a thing like suicide. the best thing people could do for someone who failed at suicide, is put him on suicide watch, med him up to dull the pain, and put him through counseling. i think that that is the true purpose for the "legality" bull****. paperwork, so that everyone knows what's going to happen, and everyone's butt is covered. and of course, just one more way to make money off of the "herd".

as for euthanasia, only if it's the last option available. i can't talk about personally, because there are groups of people who i think should do it exclusively, and by the hundreds. in my opinion, they actually deserve the end result.

as far as religions go, they really pick and choose what is a sin, just like they pick and choose what is a virtue. it's a really sad attempt at controlling people, psychologically speaking. religion was there to keep the general public in line, before there were cops, nsa, fbi, cia, and the like, breathing down the backs of people's necks, and watching everything they do. they have gradually taken the place of "god/devil-heaven/hell-punishment eternal". and maybe that was the plan from the beginning. who knows? i personally don't give a **** what someone else thinks is a sin, or a virtue.

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posted January 21, 2014 02:34 PM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 14:34, 21 Jan 2014.

fred said:
it's all very simple, poly. no matter how much life might seem to suck, death is far worse. dead, you can't eat yummy food, or yummy pussy. you can't pet kitty cats, hear them purr, feel their warm fuzziness, or play with them. you can't sleep, and dream beautiful dreams(where even if you cannot stand life, dreams are an escape). you can't watch beautiful sunsets, or sunrises. you can't feel a cool breeze when it's hot, or sit in warmth, drinking hot cocoa, when a winter storm is raging outside. you can't smell delightful things, like fresh baked apple pie or chocolate chip cookies, or the scents of a woman. you can't love, or be loved. you can't laugh until you cry, when you're dead. i can go on and on and on with this. i think you get the picture.


Continuing our hypothetical discussion, what if the person in question can't taste yummy food, is allergic to and also hates cats, can't properly sleep anyway and is always tired, - consequently dreams no dreams worth remembering - doesn't give a carp about the sun, or storms, or scents for that matter, and is doomed never to experience the love of a woman?
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posted January 21, 2014 02:51 PM

Sounds to me like that someone is just trying to make his life look bleach because he is just boring and lame person. He needs to play more heroes.
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posted January 21, 2014 03:09 PM

The_Polyglot said:

Continuing our hypothetical discussion, what if the person in question can't taste yummy food, is allergic to and also hates cats, can't properly sleep anyway and is always tired, - consequently dreams no dreams worth remembering - doesn't give a carp about the sun, or storms, or scents for that matter, and is doomed never to experience the love of a woman?


my point was, it is the small things that you need to focus on. you are focusing on the one big thing that you think prevents you from being happy in life.

it's all in the attitude, man. without an attitude change, your perspective won't change. i know how ****ty that sounds, but it's the truth.

there are animals you aren't allergic to, poly. i'm allergic to cats, but i don't care. if you can't taste food, and it isn't related to the depression, i don't know what to tell you, as i thought that was extremely rare, to be devoid of taste and smell(being that the two are linked). if you can't properly sleep, there are a multitude of meds you can try. it's literally a smorgasboard out there. there are also meditation methods, which i think, in your case, would benefit you the most, and probably better than meds, once you got the hang of it.

if you don't give a **** about certain things, that's your perogative. but don't let your focus on your problems ruin what would otherwise be good to you, poly, as that is a little counterproductive to what you need to realize in order to get out of your personal hellhole.

doomed to never experience the love of a woman? exactly how so? physically or emotionally? you think you can't find a woman to love you? bull****. you don't need to put your dick in a woman to experience love, either. not even for sex, as there are different ways to reach euphoria. like through meditation. i've been able to do it through music. if i can do that, there must be a way for you to do likewise. like i said, it's all in the attitude. if you're not looking with the "right eyes", you're going to miss a lot, poly. which is why you're still where you're at, emotionally. emotional meds can only turn you into a zombie long enough to get your **** straight. if you're not getting your perspective straight while you're on them, the meds are pretty much worthless.

you give up, it's on you. you pull through, it's on you. just remember that you aren't the only one involved in your life. never forget that. you have people who love you. everyone does, even if they've never met them.

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posted January 31, 2014 12:58 PM

When simplified, I see life as just a result of one big chain reaction of atoms since universe somehow started and therefore don't see anything sacred in our existence or any reason to live if you don't enjoy it. I know people say that you're just depressed right now, you'll get over it and enjoy life in the future. But seeing what my options are, while I guess they're numerous, I don't want to live any of those pointless regular lives. I don't want to start a family (even if I could) and live quiet family life or go to work 40h/week, I don't want to live on welfare checks and play video games all day and tbh I wouldn't want to live any life at all, even if I could choose anything. I'd still feel like being pointless particle in this massive universe and have chances to feel pain. Pleasures too, but I find it much safer to think that in death you won't feel anything and have nothing to fear about.

I wish suicide was legal (and by legal I mean that state would provide you with painless way to die if you wanted so) because none of us chose to be born and no one can know how big the mental pain can grow on some people, while still being too scared or whatever to commit suicide on their own.

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posted January 31, 2014 03:55 PM

He isn't my alt, I swear.
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posted January 31, 2014 06:14 PM

Sounds a bit like he would be into Necromancy, if living on Ashan.

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posted January 31, 2014 10:21 PM

homeros said:
When simplified, I see life as just a result of one big chain reaction of atoms since universe somehow started and therefore don't see anything sacred in our existence or any reason to live if you don't enjoy it. I know people say that you're just depressed right now, you'll get over it and enjoy life in the future. But seeing what my options are, while I guess they're numerous, I don't want to live any of those pointless regular lives. I don't want to start a family (even if I could) and live quiet family life or go to work 40h/week, I don't want to live on welfare checks and play video games all day and tbh I wouldn't want to live any life at all, even if I could choose anything. I'd still feel like being pointless particle in this massive universe and have chances to feel pain. Pleasures too, but I find it much safer to think that in death you won't feel anything and have nothing to fear about.

I wish suicide was legal (and by legal I mean that state would provide you with painless way to die if you wanted so) because none of us chose to be born and no one can know how big the mental pain can grow on some people, while still being too scared or whatever to commit suicide on their own.


Let me get this right, you need some special meaning in life so you would want to live, and since you dont believe in god nor think love, family, anything really is worth it you would rather die ?

But, since you're too scared to kill yourself you would want the state to do it for you, as in for someone else to have your blood on his hands coz you cant even kill yourself ?

Mind blown....

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posted January 31, 2014 10:47 PM

JollyJoker said:
Sounds a bit like he would be into Necromancy, if living on Ashan.

Nah those necromancers are way too lively to be dead, but if they never feel pain, then maybe. I also like their motto "Life is change, chaos, filth and suffering. Death is peace, order, everlasting beauty."

smithey said:

Let me get this right, you need some special meaning in life so you would want to live, and since you dont believe in god nor think love, family, anything really is worth it you would rather die ?

But, since you're too scared to kill yourself you would want the state to do it for you, as in for someone else to have your blood on his hands coz you cant even kill yourself ?

Mind blown....

I need the state (or anyone) to hand me a gun or something that would make it quick, painless and risk-free. I'm too scared of pain and failure to do it by jumping off the roof or stabbing myself etc...

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posted January 31, 2014 10:50 PM

Okay, whose alt is this guy, he's way too much fun.
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posted January 31, 2014 11:08 PM
Edited by smithey at 23:11, 31 Jan 2014.

homeros said:

I need the state (or anyone) to hand me a gun or something that would make it quick, painless and risk-free. I'm too scared of pain and failure to do it by jumping off the roof or stabbing myself etc...


Not sure if this is considered aiding and abetting but hey overpopulation and all that....

One word - "Pills"

50 little fu*kers with some alcohol will do the trick, you literally fall asleep (with a twist being - never waking up), painless...

Option two, winter + freezing, its pretty much the same as the one above, you fall asleep and then done...

Option three Gas leak in a confined space - Oxygen goes out, you get sleepy and thats about it...

And now on a serious note, if you really wanted to die you would of have ended things a long time ago, so if you truly are depressed or smth, seek help and get better coz life is peachy for most of us, hence it can be peachy for you too, not saying it will be easy but I am saying it is worth fighting for.... coz .......................

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posted February 01, 2014 12:18 AM

Actually pills aren't totally 100% effective nor painless.  Taking certain pills can react very badly and you end up vomiting and in a lot of pain.  Not to mention that getting your stomach pumped is unpleasant.

There was an actress called Lupe Velez who thought that suicide by tablets would be painless.  I suggest you read about what happened to her and where they found her.  *spoiler alert* she wasn't found the way she hoped she would be.
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posted February 01, 2014 12:34 AM
Edited by smithey at 00:36, 01 Feb 2014.

meroe said:
Actually pills aren't totally 100% effective nor painless.  Taking certain pills can react very badly and you end up vomiting and in a lot of pain.  Not to mention that getting your stomach pumped is unpleasant.

There was an actress called Lupe Velez who thought that suicide by tablets would be painless.  I suggest you read about what happened to her and where they found her.  *spoiler alert* she wasn't found the way she hoped she would be.


Emm.. he's depressed, not stupid, with google on his side, he can find them "right pills" in 3 minutes or less...
I would never give him a bad advice, after all they call me the good samaritan killer for a reason

edit: nicely played, googled Lupe thinking I will see some latin hottie, instead found a 100+ year old nottie

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posted February 01, 2014 01:07 AM
Edited by fred79 at 01:08, 01 Feb 2014.

wtf. looks like someone else wants to join that club. are you guys goths, or something? if you say "no, i'm emo", you won't have to worry about finding someone to kill you for yourself. go look at pictures of people who have killed themselves, or people who failed, to better understand what you're getting yourself into, and how serious death really is. look at what's left of people's heads after a shotgun wound. check out people who have overdosed, convulsing on pills. check out the foam that comes out of their mouths. death isn't something to throw around lightly, kids.

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posted February 01, 2014 01:38 AM

smithey said:
homeros said:

50 little fu*kers with some alcohol will do the trick, you literally fall asleep (with a twist being - never waking up), painless...

Option two, winter + freezing, its pretty much the same as the one above, you fall asleep and then done...

Option three Gas leak in a confined space - Oxygen goes out, you get sleepy and thats about it...


Meroe covered the first

Freezing does not work like that smithey, first off, you'll be freezing yourself off, which is quite, snowing uncomfortable, second, it hurts like hell to freeze, third, it's a long, LONG process

yeah, gas, very nice, get sleepy? right. true. after vomiting, choking, vomiting again and choking at the same time. you probably end up dying choked in your own vomit too exhausted to move.
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posted February 01, 2014 01:50 AM

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I need the state (or anyone) to hand me a gun or something that would make it quick, painless and risk-free. I'm too scared of pain and failure to do it by jumping off the roof or stabbing myself etc...


You want to kill yourself because you're in pain but you're scared if you try it you might be hurt? Seems to me in one scenario you're guaranteed pain, while... You know what, ignore all that. I agree with you. Don't commit suicide, that's a stupid idea. You could get hurt.

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posted February 01, 2014 02:36 AM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 02:41, 01 Feb 2014.

What's the point of committing suicide if it's instant and painless, give me a knife so that I can disembowel myself please, the moments leading up to death, when you know that you are certainly doomed is an unmissable experience.
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posted February 01, 2014 03:35 AM

Tsar-Ivor said:
What's the point of committing suicide if it's instant and painless, give me a knife so that I can disembowel myself please, the moments leading up to death, when you know that you are certainly doomed is an unmissable experience.


goddamn right. painless, cowering death? not for me, not by a long shot. the death i need? my perfect death? i want to die in a battle that is part of a massive war; completely naked, with an axe or something medieval, covered in the blood, skin, guts, hair, and miscellaneous gore of my enemies, and i want to be on goddamn fire, in absolute screaming fury. when i die, i want to leave a scar in my surviving enemies' minds, of what kind of monster went out on the battlefield. it would be the very peak of my existence. i could die well, and die proud.

of course, i'll probably just die stupidly like everybody else. how depressing.

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