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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted September 16, 2014 08:18 PM
Edited by Rakshasa92 at 20:40, 16 Sep 2014.

Please only mythology creatures there are enough!

Every insect, flower and creature has a mythological counterpart anyway, except for freaking mushrooms and fungus.

If they make up their own creatures we get horrible Evil Sorceress and other such boring creatures.

Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)


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MattII
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posted September 16, 2014 09:44 PM
Edited by MattII at 21:47, 16 Sep 2014.

Rakshasa92 said:
Please only mythology creatures there are enough!

Every insect, flower and creature has a mythological counterpart anyway, except for freaking mushrooms and fungus.
Really? I've only ever heard of Arachne, nothing for the insects.

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If they make up their own creatures we get horrible Evil Sorceress and other such boring creatures.
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.

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Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)
I think you're going to run into issues here.

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RMZ1989
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posted September 16, 2014 10:23 PM

MattII said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Please only mythology creatures there are enough!

Every insect, flower and creature has a mythological counterpart anyway, except for freaking mushrooms and fungus.
Really? I've only ever heard of Arachne, nothing for the insects.

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If they make up their own creatures we get horrible Evil Sorceress and other such boring creatures.
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.

Quote:
Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)
I think you're going to run into issues here.

Oh you are trying to argue with Rakshasa92, good luck.
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cleglaw
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posted September 16, 2014 10:28 PM
Edited by cleglaw at 22:59, 16 Sep 2014.

Rakshasa92 said:
Please only mythology creatures there are enough!

Every insect, flower and creature has a mythological counterpart anyway, except for freaking mushrooms and fungus.

If they make up their own creatures we get horrible Evil Sorceress and other such boring creatures.

Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)




%100 disagree. i love D&D creatures, and they were fitting in Heroes universe. Who can deny H3 death knights? they are powerful and cool at the same time.

MattII said:
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.



acctually troglodyte is a D&D creature, and i really missed them. blind, weak and weird lizard humanoids living in underground... tasty.

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athas65
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posted September 16, 2014 11:25 PM

cleglaw said:
MattII said:
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.



acctually troglodyte is a D&D creature, and i really missed them. blind, weak and weird lizard humanoids living in underground... tasty.


Lol, I was just about to write this, it's just that I saw some people say it during the last couple of days, and it really bugged me, since I remembered reading my uncle's AD&D books, which included Troglodytes and came out before H3...

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cleglaw
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posted September 16, 2014 11:46 PM

athas65 said:
cleglaw said:
MattII said:
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.



acctually troglodyte is a D&D creature, and i really missed them. blind, weak and weird lizard humanoids living in underground... tasty.


Lol, I was just about to write this, it's just that I saw some people say it during the last couple of days, and it really bugged me, since I remembered reading my uncle's AD&D books, which included Troglodytes and came out before H3...


you can look for the monster manuals. its part of D&D anyways, this image is from D&D 3.5, i would love to see them back in game like this


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posted September 16, 2014 11:47 PM

Rakshasa92 said:
Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)

Someone's trolling
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posted September 16, 2014 11:54 PM

Elvin said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)

Someone's trolling

I'm afraid he isn't. Rakshasa92 seems to have embraced the "all creatures must be mythological unique or riot" mantra.
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posted September 16, 2014 11:57 PM

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MattII
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posted September 17, 2014 12:29 AM

cleglaw said:
acctually troglodyte is a D&D creature, and i really missed them. blind, weak and weird lizard humanoids living in underground... tasty.
Yes, but ours are eyeless and seem to owe more to amphibians than reptiles, so they're about as close to D&D trogs as lizardmen are to elves.

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Doomhammer
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posted September 17, 2014 01:10 AM

You can't have all one or the other. There has to be a mix of mythological and new created from scratch creatures, though i feel the majority should be mythological as that is what drew most of us to these games originally, you saw monsters and legends from film and literature that you recognised or scared you when you were a child. Its part of what makes homm games cooler than everything else.

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Paiazza
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posted September 18, 2014 10:00 AM
Edited by Paiazza at 10:05, 18 Sep 2014.

This isn't about mythological or new made creatures, this is about something else in our perception of the game and likeness as i will explain further.

Okay, so let's see what really is the difference between mythic age and new age creatures. Well there is none except the coefficient of imagination of the creator of the creature. In simple words this means mythological creatures are invented creatures in a very old past and new creatures are creatures invented now but that is exactly the opposite of what matters, in fact the mind that created them is what makes the difference. Of course the time affected the mentality of imagination.

What makes us all like mythological creatures more is because they are legendary. Some chemicals in our brain make us like more things that we already know since a very long time and recognizing them again will accentuate that more and more literally creating the legendary effect.

Newly invented creatures lack originality and quality due to low imagination, as they tend to be copies of copies of copies only re-mastered. What made mythological creatures to be so likeable was that they were purely original and not copied from something else. And here again I come to bring a paradox as an argument. Mythological creatures were in fact deviated copies from reality without actually wanting to alter their nature where new-age creatures are on purpose unnatural which is exactly what makes them dull rather than fantastic.

Creating a very good lore and then bring those creatures to life in games is the key here.

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Avirosb
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posted September 18, 2014 10:09 AM

Troglodyte is also another name for a cave-dweller.

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Rakshasa92
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posted September 18, 2014 08:29 PM

MattII said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Please only mythology creatures there are enough!

Every insect, flower and creature has a mythological counterpart anyway, except for freaking mushrooms and fungus.
Really? I've only ever heard of Arachne, nothing for the insects.

Quote:
If they make up their own creatures we get horrible Evil Sorceress and other such boring creatures.
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.

Quote:
Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)
I think you're going to run into issues here.


Yes I know people are hooked on terrible lich and death knights.

But for me the Slavic Fext and the Celtic Dullahan are MUCH MUCH more original and cooler than the Death Knight can ever become, they are actually much the same creature but with a non-copyright name and with more awesome features (Only glass can kill the Fext and the headless horseman dullahan has so much cool side-stories that I leave that up to Wikipedia)

Lich, well they are undead magic-casters, much like Wekufe, Guecubu, Mokoi and the spider-undead creature known as Djieien.

And you want insect monsters from mythology?

Awahondo (can be any insect)
Pyrausta (dragon + dragonfly)
Adze (Firefly heat-vampires)
Arrach (much where the D&D-horrors stole the Ettercap from)
Awd Goggie (giant caterpillar bogeyman)
Bergkonge/Mountain King (these are sometimes seen as dragon spiders)
Chan (chinese giant clam monsters)
Con Rit (sea centipde)
Mongolian Death Worm
Djieien (Solifugid spider liches)
Empusa (many have mantis-like features in games)
Girtablilu (half scorpion half men)
Gold-Digging Ant (golden ant monsters from the medieval bestairy)
Haakapainizi (Mantis or locust monsters from native american folklore)
Heikegani (samurai crab spirits or crabmen)
Horerczy (frog monsters that spit out swarms of breath-drinking butterflies)
Ichneumon (sometimes seen as giant wasp monsters that kill dragons)
Irlperenye (giant assassin bug creatures)
Itzpapalotl (skeleton butterfly godess that can be made a creatures)
Jba Fofi (giant spiders)
Jorogumo (spider queens)
Kamikiri (lobster monsters)
Kurage (fire jellyfish monsters)
Lou Carcolh (snail monsters)
Mambararang (phillippine sorceress that uses insects)
Minhacao (giant worm monsters with armadillo hides)
Mothman
Myrmecoleon (giant half lion and half ants or giant antlions)
Nargun (sometimes used as water strider monsters made from rocks)
Omukade (much like the d&d marilith, but with centipede body)
Pelesit (demonic locusts)
Pua Tu Tahi (walking reef golems full of sharp coral)
Sandwalker (giant camel-stealing crab/scorpion)
Sazae-Oni (horrible sea snail monsters with woman-lures)
Scarab (egyptian beetle monsters)
Thriae (Bee nymphs)
Tsuchigumo (giant trapdoor spider tiger horrors)
Wizard's Shackle (Leech monsters)
A Muzen Cab (the mayan lord of bees and wasps)

And there are many others.

Enough insects for ya? lol the only thing that really is lacking in the mythology world are (strangely) toadstool/fungus/mushroom monsters, there are NONE of those. Only the fairy circle which isn't a monster and the Leshy who can be of any plant.




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Rakshasa92
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posted September 18, 2014 08:46 PM
Edited by Rakshasa92 at 20:51, 18 Sep 2014.

cleglaw said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Please only mythology creatures there are enough!

Every insect, flower and creature has a mythological counterpart anyway, except for freaking mushrooms and fungus.

If they make up their own creatures we get horrible Evil Sorceress and other such boring creatures.

Also less D&D creatures (Death Knight, Gorgon and Lich suck)




%100 disagree. i love D&D creatures, and they were fitting in Heroes universe. Who can deny H3 death knights? they are powerful and cool at the same time.

MattII said:
And the Breeder and Troglodyte.



acctually troglodyte is a D&D creature, and i really missed them. blind, weak and weird lizard humanoids living in underground... tasty.



My problem with D&D creatures is that like 90% is stolen from mythology and just given another name.

Like Arrach turned into Ettercap, the Beithir turned into Behir, the Tabiwha turned into Bulette and the Jorogumo turned into Drider.

Dvergr turned into Duergar, the Svaltarfar turned into Drow, they took the Otyugh from the Japanese Akaname, Aboleth are just a cheap copy of the Native American Amhuluk, the Draconians/Dragonfolk are stolen from the Brobinyak.

Destrachan original? Yeah right, Bukavac proves you wrong D&D. Gibbering Mouthers original? Say hi to Butatsch-Ah-Ilgs from swiss! Belkers? You mean Enera! Stingers are just Girtablilu, Kytons = Jack-in-Irons.
Shambling Mound = Jidra
Quickling = Cheap copy of the Kamaitachi
Banderhobb, everybody loved them, but they are just stolen from Kaw Kaw. Faerie Dragons are made up by D&D? Don't make me laugh, somebody has seen the Greek Pyrausta or insect dragon and made a cheap copy.

And there are so many more.

The only ones I can't find clones off are Displacer Beast, Beholder, Umber Hulk and Mind Flayers, but they have clones in Lovecraft and other such books.

So the only original D&D monster is the Beholder, which is mostly used as their mascot for that reason. But they forgot about the Hyakume, Isitoq and Argus, three eyeball-based monsters in folklore, but they all look different than beholders.

They also destroyed the entire Salamander and Barghest creatures.

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cleglaw
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posted September 19, 2014 01:11 AM
Edited by cleglaw at 01:14, 19 Sep 2014.

you are using the word "STOLE". but a lot of people met them because DnD "stole" them. noone travels world and asks villages about local legends about monsters. they are popular because of DnD.

they give another name, or change them a bit after give another name, so what? they made them famous and games using them created a common fantasy language. also fantasy culture developed a lot faster because of this common language.

this will be a bit personal: seeing-playing-reading the same creatures i imagined made me a really happy child back in 95-99.

im glad they "copied" DnD in H3 back in that time. every child needs this same language thing to warm up fantasy easier.

noone gonna run mongol villages to ask local legends in age of 11.


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Rakshasa92
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posted September 19, 2014 11:14 AM
Edited by Rakshasa92 at 11:16, 19 Sep 2014.

cleglaw said:
you are using the word "STOLE". but a lot of people met them because DnD "stole" them. noone travels world and asks villages about local legends about monsters. they are popular because of DnD.

they give another name, or change them a bit after give another name, so what? they made them famous and games using them created a common fantasy language. also fantasy culture developed a lot faster because of this common language.

this will be a bit personal: seeing-playing-reading the same creatures i imagined made me a really happy child back in 95-99.

im glad they "copied" DnD in H3 back in that time. every child needs this same language thing to warm up fantasy easier.

noone gonna run mongol villages to ask local legends in age of 11.




All those freaking monsters are on the freaking internet, you don't have to ask a village anymore.

And D&D copyrighted and destroyed most of those creatures, they didn't improved them AT ALL.

Death Knights and Beholders for example are COPYRIGHTED, next time HOMM will use them they are bankrupt.

If you like Death Knights more than Dullahan, I can't help you sorry, you are lost.

All other monsters D&D used from mythology are the boring overused ones such as vampires (the boring normal ones), werewolves (the boring normal ones), unicorns and medusa's.

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cleglaw
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posted September 19, 2014 01:14 PM
Edited by cleglaw at 13:17, 19 Sep 2014.

please explain what do you mean by "destroy"?

i repeat it again, they helped people to love fantasy. you cant deny it cause i am the living example writing to you. we are not talking about just other people here.  

they released tons of stories, novels and manual for that creatures. if this means to destroy, then i want them to destroy more.

i also said i dont care if say dvegar or duegar, both way i know it is a dark dwarf, heroes series can still use them and name diffently, i dont care it.

shade of darkness had one of those things, its a beholder but its name is void something in game. i loved those creatures, but generally H6 was so fail about color themes, that it literally forced my to quit playing. i dont wanna see all purple armies. anyway my point is i like creatures, i like variety and some of those creatures are allready present in D&D. you dont have to invent the wheel.

for example i want ogres & wyerns back and i want a bugbear unit. those are D&D creatures, but i think they are way better then boxer orcs and i have no doubt they would fit much better to stronghold then him. so why not use then? name bugbear with some random word, who cares at all?

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posted September 19, 2014 03:06 PM
Edited by DarkLord at 15:07, 19 Sep 2014.

i think D&D has some memorable creatures as well as bad ones.

while from creatures created by ubisoft i can not find even one good one? anyone to prove me wrong and defend ubi?
(i mean entirely new creatures, not the ones were in HoMM 1-4 series)

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posted September 19, 2014 03:33 PM
Edited by Sandro400 at 15:42, 19 Sep 2014.

DarkLord said:
while from creatures created by ubisoft i can not find even one good one? anyone to prove me wrong and defend ubi?
(i mean entirely new creatures, not the ones were in HoMM 1-4 series)



Em... Does Wraith from H5 count? It was pretty badass and I hope for it's return. Namtarus, Sharkmen and nearly all H6's demons (depends on taste their really) too.
But I have to agree on you that new Ubi's creature are not so fascinating (though I love Sanctuary, I don't like their lineup in H6), excluding mentioined above examples imo.
In fact, I can't remember anyone as cool as Wraith )

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