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Darkem
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posted July 24, 2015 11:04 AM |
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Edited by Darkem at 11:06, 24 Jul 2015.
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@Layn
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I'll reiterate, any change would come at a cost of something else, just like it was with the vampire and lich.
Wait, wait, wait... Didn't they (and I mean Ubi/Limbic) promise us that the change of the designs won't hurt development process? They've lied? In that case, what was lost? New unit? Maps?
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted July 24, 2015 11:14 AM |
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Darkem said:
@Layn
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I'll reiterate, any change would come at a cost of something else, just like it was with the vampire and lich.
Wait, wait, wait... Didn't they (and I mean Ubi/Limbic) promise us that the change of the designs won't hurt development process? They've lied? In that case, what was lost? New unit? Maps?
The exact quote posted on the Shadow Council:
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Creating new models for a creature is a costly and time consuming process. Indeed, this could imply severe impact on various aspect of the game (gamedesign, animations, campaigns, etc.), that is the reason why we took the time to estimate the cost and impact on game progress.
Nevertheless, the different actors of this development agreed to operate changes on two creatures design: The Lich & the Vampire.
So I think we were pretty clear that the change was going to have an impact on many levels, but we agreed to do it anyway.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 24, 2015 12:22 PM |
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It was for a good cause  I'm curious what we missed out on though. Less polishing? Cut content?
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 12:34 PM |
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Hello Layn, welcome!
About emerald dragon's face, I kinda of got used of it, but slight facelift could be cool.
I think one problem with emerald dragon is that the vegetation was trimmed too much on its back and belly. So it can pass the impression that it is more slim, less robust, thus less powerful.
Personally, I really liked the green dragon since I saw it in the e3 video, and like kiryu said, also liked the direction you got for the emerald one (old, wise, developing emerald husk  ), problem is it seemed less robust. So, my suggestion would be a slight reforestation. Since he is old, you could use more branches than bushes, with some branches coming out of the skin.
I read you are working on light effects, maybe stags could get a little more epicness?
In their artwork, their body marks looks somewhat luminous, specially the sun stag. What do you think about a effect like this for the "sun" between its antlers:
Anyway, these are just suggestions.
Darkem said:
@Layn
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I'll reiterate, any change would come at a cost of something else, just like it was with the vampire and lich.
Wait, wait, wait... Didn't they (and I mean Ubi/Limbic) promise us that the change of the designs won't hurt development process? They've lied? In that case, what was lost? New unit? Maps?
Do you think these new vampire and lich models just spawned magically on the website? 
It took work-hours to do that could be spent elsewhere. And this is the dilema, to decide what is worth changing/improving/remaking and what isnt.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted July 24, 2015 12:40 PM |
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What bothers me most about the Emerald Dragon besides the face is the way too long tail.
Fast dinosaurs like raptors or slow to turn ones that used it as a weapon like the brontosaurus had them.
But the Emerald Dragon is slow, heavy and uses its (clawless)paws for attack and not it's tail(btw the only unit that definately should have spikes on it -even if only on the tail- but somehow doesnt have them, yet every other creature looks like it fell into a box of nails).
A short and muscular tail would be better to keep its balance and low center of gravity to make them harder to knock over.
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mike80d
Famous Hero
Map Maker
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posted July 24, 2015 01:54 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Press the arrow in the upper right corner and it should give you the emerald dragon.
Thank you! I had never seen that little arrow before.
Now that I've seen both the Green & Emerald dragon I must agree... the Green Dragon's face is far superior.
But this is near the bottom of my list of requested changes. The resource allocation, hero movement, perspective of battle (too far zoomed out), town screens, and a lot of other things are way higher on my list than this change.
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 02:18 PM |
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Do you think these new vampire and lich models just spawned magically on the website?
I do know that there is no magic fairies, especially in such a big company as Ubisoft, but I am almost sure that I've read somewhere before that they promise us the new designs will be an additional work and no other aspects of the game will suffer because of it. I will dig deep to find that quote. Thank you for all of the responses.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 02:27 PM |
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I dont like this dragon, but even if he look the best in the game i will not play sylvan soo.. who cares 
And I also wonder what could be there if not reworking the vampire a lich ? better skillwheel?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 24, 2015 02:29 PM |
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alexine said:
And I also wonder what could be there if not reworking the vampire a lich ? better skillwheel?
No way, the locked skillwheel was a game design decision set beforehand and no one could do anything about it.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 02:53 PM |
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Darkem said:
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Do you think these new vampire and lich models just spawned magically on the website?
I do know that there is no magic fairies, especially in such a big company as Ubisoft, but I am almost sure that I've read somewhere before that they promise us the new designs will be an additional work and no other aspects of the game will suffer because of it. I will dig deep to find that quote. Thank you for all of the responses.
I also remembered reading something along those lines. Saying that they decided to rework those creatures as an extra. But it WAS many months ago.
About the dragon, I would prefer a complete remake  but that would never happen so some tweaks to the head would be nice. I don't understand why it turns from a rock head to a tree one so they should start with that. More emeralds coundnt hurt either.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 03:22 PM |
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Darkem said:
I do know that there is no magic fairies, especially in such a big company as Ubisoft, but I am almost sure that I've read somewhere before that they promise us the new designs will be an additional work and no other aspects of the game will suffer because of it. I will dig deep to find that quote. Thank you for all of the responses.
I have no idea what Ubisoft said, I wasn't around at the time.
But the way I see it, it doesn't matter much. In my opinion, there is no such thing as complete finished game or software until it stops being supported.
People will always make new demands and there will always be bugs to fix, mechanics to improve, systems to be changed or remade, graphics, UI, AI, expansions to start to think of, addons, etc.
And of course, resources aren't infinite, so when we focus on X, Y, Z problems; means that A, B, C will be put in standby.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 24, 2015 03:36 PM |
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Antikouras23
Hired Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 08:48 PM |
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The dragon cannot be saved but at least the treant has excellent design and saves the situation, lol
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted July 24, 2015 08:51 PM |
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It just needs a modified texture and changed head geometry and it will look fine. I will (try to) mod it once the second beta is available.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 24, 2015 08:53 PM |
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Antikouras23 said:
The dragon cannot be saved but at least the treant has excellent design and saves the situation, lol
Aside the bubbles.
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Antikouras23
Hired Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 09:06 PM |
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Galaad said:
Antikouras23 said:
The dragon cannot be saved but at least the treant has excellent design and saves the situation, lol
Aside the bubbles.
Yes indeed
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Antikouras23
Hired Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 09:09 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
It just needs a modified texture and changed head geometry and it will look fine. I will (try to) mod it once the second beta is available.
I am looking forward for it. Although i am not much fan of the design in general
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 09:17 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
It just needs a modified texture and changed head geometry and it will look fine. I will (try to) mod it once the second beta is available.
Could you make a face like that Lizard?
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted July 24, 2015 09:18 PM |
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted July 24, 2015 09:20 PM |
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Awesome man.
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