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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted January 11, 2016 10:41 AM |
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Thank you.
But this is about editing skills already on heroes right?
What if I wan't to edit the skills in general?
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Baronus
Legendary Hero
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posted January 11, 2016 03:25 PM |
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Edited by Baronus at 11:02, 20 Jan 2016.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted January 11, 2016 04:00 PM |
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 11, 2016 04:19 PM |
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HotA ignores all changed txt files except for rmg.txt
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted January 11, 2016 04:47 PM |
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Well that settles it then, can't do anything about it, too bad.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 11, 2016 05:21 PM |
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nik312 said:
HotA ignores all changed txt files except for rmg.txt
This is new then? because at a previous version you left the aladin lamp out of editor objects and i just added its def into text files then it read them.
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Baronus
Legendary Hero
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posted January 11, 2016 06:46 PM |
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You must edit HotA txt tables NOT game txt tables. And then HotA DAT using HexD editor.
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majaczek
Supreme Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
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posted January 11, 2016 08:59 PM |
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I addressed SS problem a bit in knightmare heroes mod. Navigation replaced with astromancy and luck enchanced into life magic. And others. Check them and reply in knightmare mods thread.
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Worros
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 12, 2016 12:02 PM |
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I was actually thinking of providing some feedback and this seems to be a fitting topic for that.
There are clearly some skills that you desire and some that you get stuck with in HMM 3. Is there anything worse then gaining a level and getting to choose between Eagle Eye or Navigation (on a map that has no water)?
Here are my thoughts on some of the skills that I feel could use some attention in the future.
Necromancy - it has been nerfed in HoTa as far as I can see along with the components for Cloak of The Damned. However, that item alone is very much game braking. So the nerf I would propose would be to the item itself rather then Necromancy as a skill. I would rather have it increase Necromancy skill of hero wearing it by 100% then allow you to raise Liches. That is way too strong.
Diplomacy - probably the most OP skill in game. Acquire visions spell along with diplomacy and there you go. You won. Just pick your fights and claim as many creatures as you can. What I would suggest is that it gets toned down. A maximum 30% of the creatures you are attacking will join (for gold or for free) and the rest disappear. OR, make it so that the only troops that would join are those from your own faction. I still think that it would remain OP even what those nerfs but at least it would get toned down a bit. When you are playing against human opponent, not having diplomacy means you lose.
Eagle Eye - this is a totally useless skill that I even fail to imagine a significant buff for in order for it not to be THAT useless. Perhaps if it would allow a hero to learn a spell DURING the combat then MAYBE it would be meaningful at least a bit. It would still mean nothing later in the game but that would be something. If it was up to me, I would merge Eagle Eye and Scholar into one skill.
Ballistics and Artillery are also two skills I would merge into one. While both CAN be Ok-ish once in a while, I would not pick any of them on purpose. If they were 2 in 1 thing then - perhaps.
Navigation - Yet another skill that HMM could probably do without. It would be best served merged with Path finding.
Sorcery and learning could go together as well as none of these two are good enough to be picked on their own. Even then it would not make the skill an automatic pick but it would give it at least a bit more value.
That's about it. All other skills serve their purpose imho.
Current set of "I win skills" imo are:
Earth Magic
Air Magic
Wisdom,
Diplomacy
Then whatever (I prefer to have Logistics among other things)
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted January 12, 2016 12:17 PM |
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying Worros.
I have been bothering the main HotA thread for a while now, wishing for them to do something about the unbalanced stuff, mostly the skills, but also artifacts and spells, but I won't bother that thread no more so I started this instead.
There are people who believe the skills should stay how they are cause they are a part of the original game design and respects the developers too much to alter anything. Then there are guys like me, who would like a change to the most obvious imbalances, but I'm not a modder and hex editing is hard, especially if you have no idea what you are changing.
I'm not a fan of merging skills, decreases the possibilities imo. But I would like to buff a lot of the useless skills and maybe nerf Logistics and Diplomacy, maybe Offense, but I'm not sure about that.
But a map maker can do much himself, as I have learned through the years.
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tax_375
Hired Hero
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posted January 14, 2016 09:55 AM |
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Edited by tax_375 at 09:56, 14 Jan 2016.
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I think it would give nice new possibilities and strategies to the game both in multiplayer and single player if they change the useless skills. Because at least you would have to choose carefully between skills, more possible hero builds, and also could cover the gap between might and magic heroes. Also would be nice if they balance the magic schools (spell damage or new spells). Now the order is clear. It would be more interesting if the decision between magic schools was not that obvious.
For example balance with new spells (lvl 5 water, Flood - Armageddon like but you choose from which line the flood starts.) etc...
And I trust in HoTA team enough if they decide to change the skills they can't fail, I am sure.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted January 16, 2016 08:49 AM |
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Everyone don't forget to vote in this poll, unless you already have. 
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 14, 2017 07:19 PM |
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I feel like this thread just became relevant again.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted February 15, 2017 07:44 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 07:49, 15 Feb 2017.
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I'm in favour of bumping some of the more useless skills. Learning has already been mentioned, so I'm going to propose that Eagle Eye gets changed from Level 2-40%, Level 3-50%, Level 4-60% to something more like Level 3-40%, Level 4-60%, Level 5-80%.
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Diplomacy - probably the most OP skill in game. Acquire visions spell along with diplomacy and there you go. You won. Just pick your fights and claim as many creatures as you can. What I would suggest is that it gets toned down. A maximum 30% of the creatures you are attacking will join (for gold or for free) and the rest disappear. OR, make it so that the only troops that would join are those from your own faction. I still think that it would remain OP even what those nerfs but at least it would get toned down a bit. When you are playing against human opponent, not having diplomacy means you lose.
There is a caveat there though, since mixing more than two town types results in a morale penalty.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted November 09, 2021 09:42 PM |
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play a lot of H3, WoG and H4. Now I see the world of skill but I am careful therefore I say my opinion. Because my tendency is raw. Ok I wrote "My opinion and wish about the Heroes 8", even if original thought was been balanced H3. Ok I will show you!
A). The Secondary Skills
Each hero can have up to 8 Secondary Skills.
ARCHERY - Basic 10%, Adv. 20%, Expert 30%, Master 40% and GM 50%
Speciality 10%.
OFFENSE - Basic 10%, Adv. 20%, Expert 30%, Master 40% and GM 50%.
Specialty 10%
ARMORER - Basic 10%, Adv. 20%, Expert 30%, Master 40% and GM 50%.
Specialty 10%
RESISTANCE - Basic 10%, Adv. 20%, Expert 30%, Master 40% and GM 50%.
Specialty 10%
Resistance also take half damage from spell attacks.
LEADERSHIP - Basic +1 Morale & Luck, Adv. +2 Morale & Luck, Expert +3 Morale & Luck, Master +4 Morale & Luck and GM +5 Morale & Luck.
Speciality -
BALANCED (A new Secondary Skill) - Basic 5% Health Point & Damage, Adv. 10% Health Point & Damage, Expert 15% Health Point & Damage, Master 20% Health Point & Damage and GM 25% Health Point & Damage.
Specialty -
No Elixir of Life
TACTICS - Basic +1 Speed, Adv. +2 Speed, Expert +3 Speed, Master +4 Speed and GM +5 Speed.
Speciality -
ARTILLERY - The same, but Master adds on -1 Speed to creature and GM takes -2 Speed.
Specialty -
Ballista has 300 Hit Point, thus you can buy many Ballistae.
BALLISTICS - The same, but Master adds on 1-3lvl Anti-Magic and GM gives 1-5lvl completely Magic Immune.
Speciality -
Only one Catapult.
FIRST AID - The same as WoG: all cure and resurrection, but GM regenerates up to 200 health, so 50, 75, 100, 150 and 200. Master and GM means all cure and resurrection.
Specialty -
First Aid Tent has 75 Hit Point, thus you can buy many First Aid Tents, but one First Aid Tent costs 200 gold, if you buy another First Aid Tent, it always pay extra i.e. 200, 400, 800, 1600, etc
NECROMANCY - The same H4
Speciality 10%
A new Cloak of the Undead King gives H3 growth speed style, so GM means 30% faster.
DIPLOMACY - The same H3, but Master -80% to surrendering cost and GM -100% to surrendering cost.
Specialty -
No Diplomacy artifacts
ESTATES - The same H4
Specialty 10% plus one extra resource.
Capitol you get a 1000 gold in a day. H4 style.
LEARNING - The same WoG, but 5%, 10%, 15%, 20% and GM 25%
Specialty 10%
STEALTH - H4 style
Specialty -
PATHFINDING - H4 style
Specialty -
Skill can also no movement penalties on the battlefield.
SCOUTING - H4 style
Specialty -
NAVIGATION - H4 style
Specialty 10%
Yes artifacts
EAGLE EYE - The same H3, but Master 70% and GM 80%, also both 5lvl. One still thing, Basic Eagle Eye can learn your 1lvl Mage Guild without visit your town, GM means 5lvl.
Specialty -
MYSTICISM - Basic +10, Adv. +20, Expert +30, Master +40 and GM +50
Specialty -
You can't get a full spell point in a town. Magic Well gives +50%, Magic Spring gives 100% to hero's spell regeneration and H4 mana potion gives extra 25 spell point, thus Intelligence is removed.
SORCERY - The same H3, but Master 20% and GM 25%
Specialty 10%
Yes artifact, but one Sorcery Orb gives +25% (works with Sorcery skill), Thus Dark Orb (RoE style) and Blood Orb.
WISDOM - Basic 1lvl, Adv. 2lvl, Expert 3lvl, Master 4lvl and GM 5lvl
Specialty -
AIR, EARTH, FIRE and WATER - The same H3.
Specialty -
EFFECT (A new skill gives spell duration) - Basic 2, Adv. 4, Expert 6, Master 8, and GM 10. None means 1.
Speciality -
Yes artifacts give extra 1, 2, and 3, depends on artifact level.
You can't build your the best Secondary Skills! Try a thinking!
B). The Spells
AIR
1lvl
Haste - H3 style
Magic Arrow - All Schools and H3 style means amount of damage
Terrain Walk - H4 style
View Air
2lvl
Disguise - H3 style
Disrupting Ray - H3 style
Fortune - H4 style: maximum 10 luck
Lightning Bolt - H3 style
Precision - H4 style
Protection from Air - H4 style
Unholy Song - H4 style
Visions - All Schools and H4 style
3lvl
Air Shield - H3 style
Aura of Fear - H4 style
Destroy Undead - H3 style
Mire - H4 style
Summon Ghost - A new skill
4lvl
Chain Lightning - H3 style
Counterstrike - H3 style
Snake Strike - H4 style, if GM Air means Mass Snake Strike. Why? On the battlefield is H4 style.
Summon Air Elemental - H3 style
Summon Griffin - H4, but more amount of Griffins by Power.
5lvl
Hypnotize - H4 style
Magic Mirror - H4 style
Summon Faerie Dragon or/and Phoenix
Steal Enchantments - H4 style, but one target
Yes Angel Wings artifact, but Relic in H4 style
EARTH
1lvl
Magic Arrow - All Schools and H3 style means amount of damage
Shield (Spiritual Armor) - H4 style
Slow - H4 style
Stone Skin - H4 style
View Earth - H3 style
2lvl
Death Ripple - H3 style
Quicksand - H4 style
Visions - All Schools and H4 style
3lvl
Anti-Magic - H4 style
Earthquake - H3 style
Protection from Earth - H4 style
Summon Elf
4lvl
Meteor Shower - H3 style, but more damage
Sorrow - H4 style means -10 Morale
Summon Earth Elemental - H3 style
Summon Vampire
Town Gate - H4 style
Vampiric Touch - H4 style
5lvl
Implosion - H3 style
FIRE
1lvl
Bloodlust - H4 style
Cancellation - H4 style
Curse - H4 style
Magic Arrow - All Schools and H3 style means amount of damage
Protection from Fire - H4 style
2lvl
Blind - H4 style
Visions - All Schools and H4 style
3lvl
Fireball - H3 style, but more damage
Land Mine - H3 style, but more damage
Misfortune - H4 style means -10 luck
4lvl
Berserk - H3 style
Fire Shield - H3 style, but also mass fire shield by higher skill
Frenzy - H3 style
Inferno - H3 style, but more damage
Slayer - H3 style, but also mass slayer by higher skill
Summon Fire Elemental
5lvl
Armageddon - H3 style
Cat Reflexes - H4 style
Summon Black Dragon
WATER
1lvl
Bless
Cure
Dispel
Magic Arrow - All Schools and H3 style means amount of damage
Protection from Water - H4 style
Summon Boat - H3 style
2lvl
Ice Bolt - H3 style, but more damage
Martyr - H4 style
Remove Obstacle - H3 style
Visions - All Schools and H4 style
3lvl
Forgetfulness - H4 style
Mirth - H4 style means 10 Morale
Retribution - of course to creature
Teleport - H4 style
4lvl
Clone - H3 style
Prayer - H4 style
Summon Water Elemental
5lvl
Guardian Angel - H4 style
Pain Mirror - H4 style
Old Earth is no longer murderous. If MOD cannot be implemented. The last one is UbiSoft.
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