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Heroes Community > Summoners Academy > Thread: Party setups/team creation discussion
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dulkan
dulkan


Known Hero
posted May 30, 2017 07:46 AM

Who doesn't want more maps? I'd love a really challenging with some great rewards, high energy cost and a limit on how often you can do it. Think fights on the difficulty level of tower lvl 51, costing 20-30 energy each with chances to get legendaries or big essences, possibly in the chests on quest reward.

But waht faith do I have for that? The only new quests they made are seasonal quests, which are a rehash of other quests and very easy.

I think I've explained enough why I don't like you using the muse
- she is a rare
- she is unreliable
- she is super fragile
- you have a strictly better creature available


Look, assume a creature of 2000 pwr with soldier. A basic with x16 does 3500 dmg, a basic with x16 and crit does 4500. That's less than a 30% increase in dmg. On multihit specials it becomes even less, as you are pretty much guaranteed to not crit on all the hits.

Also why do oyu have to rely on basics? The only point where I rely on basics is wave 1. After that I kill the dangerous creatures with specials, then regain mana by hitting the small guys with basics and I go to the next wave with full mana.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
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posted May 30, 2017 10:32 AM

Yeah, I guess the easiest way for them to improve quests difficulty and rewards would be to add other layers of difficulty above King. Maybe we could get a suggestions and ideas thread going on, but I'm starting to get tired of creating threads.

- Why is it so bad using a rare creature? This game's mechanics are precisely deep enough to allow a wider range of strategy than simply "go with the best creatures or you die", if the latter was the case the game would be extremely p2w and I wouldn't play that. You say she has "no business in a lvl 270 party" but maybe the fact I'm using it should hint you she's not as bad as you think.
- I've told you she is reliable IF you use her correctly, I get it the "if" part is what makes her unreliable to you, but I can assure you Battle Tower 51 is the ONLY part of the whole game where she doesn't work, and that is because of the cleanse alone, if she was cleansing everytime I would pass that level fingers in the nose with the squad of nukers I use.
- Yes, she is super fragile, yet she stays alive on every SP map all the time aside for Black Wish which is the sole exception where I use a secondary party with Siren. She also stays alive MOST of the time in dungeon attacks.
- That last point I agree, although I can't use the Peri until I've awakened him, as the rough lvl 90 doesn't heal at all.

Anyway, I feel we are starting to repeat ourselves a bit, both our points have been heard I guess. Just so it's clear, I'm not forcing anyone to use the Muse, but I do consider her awesome from my experience.


In a game where there is so much place for random around 30% chance is decent imo, with Dark Elf it triggers enough times, and while it is true I can have a hard time on some LE w1 with rezzers, these actually make the difference for me: that last x16 basic hit with the DE on the LE is quite decisive in my condition. Also when I use the special there is 9 hits with each one of them getting a chance to crit, I NEVER have special strikes without crits (I would say the average is 4-5). Yes it's overkill for most fights, but it makes farming goes faster and kills the big baddies with huge HP in Tower a lot faster than any other party setups I've tried too.

For basic attacks again you only mention competition, but you also answered to your own question: fast and efficient mana fill.
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wabba
wabba

Tavern Dweller
posted May 30, 2017 05:30 PM

Here are my monsters with dots



Btw, I hope the picture works

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
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posted August 07, 2017 10:55 PM

Some teams of smalls I'm having fun with.









Sadly not optimal with multipliers but I can only afford that much rerolls.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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Supreme Hero
zombie
posted August 31, 2017 09:11 PM

Need some help! Click for detailed screens

Basically this is my team, no alternatives to speak of. The Leviathan and the Treant carry my team, Inspiring Muse has healing, and since I can't combo the Leviathan while the Treant is there, I figured the Jade Dragon, being 4 dots could help. Dwarf warrior sux, but as I said, no alternatives.

Leveled the Treant on a whim, trying to focus on the Leviathan and the Muse for now, but I have no source of blue gems. I do have a lvl 15 Haunted Marionette, and another 3-dots Leviathan at lvl 10, but the stupid treant is too good for now! What do I do?
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AlHazin
AlHazin


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Tutto possibile
posted August 31, 2017 09:16 PM

Use the crocodile.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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zombie
posted August 31, 2017 09:19 PM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 21:20, 31 Aug 2017.

Instead of?
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
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posted August 31, 2017 09:46 PM
Edited by Galaad at 21:56, 31 Aug 2017.

There is many ways to look at this.

You could try to get your Leviathan to trigger x16 by trying to form a party with creatures corresponding to its dots colors. BUT it's a bit annoying that one of his dots is same element as he is, so you could reroll. Alternatively, you can have a party where the Leviathan is the only one that WON'T trigger its multipliers, as at lower stages of the game, he should still hit hard enough at x1 but is also potentially less mana to give to other party members.
It seems you're up to use the Treant for a while so at any rate if you want your Leviathan to trigger he will need a nature dot, so I say, if you have any prismatic orb, try to reroll him. For each reroll you make, be sure that you can foresee all that you can do with the new colors before accepting or denying, even anticipating a color you don't have yet but are bound to have soon.

From your creatures I would directly level up both the Bird and Croc (the Croc is really good), as they are 3 dots and you will use them in dungeon anyway (at least for now). I see you got no dark creatures yet and some of your creatures dots require one to trigger, you can wait to see what dark creatures you can get. BTW don't forget you can also summon creatures with tickets (small and rares).

Your party will become more offensive as you will make it so that more multipliers will trigger (ideally all), but you need to keep aware two of the creatures you are currently using are one dot only and you will replace them with a two dots very soon. You can find Muse in Battle of Bards and the Dwarf I'm not sure, maybe Shadows in the Sand IIRC

These two dots will certainly have different color dots opening up to new possibilities. You will very very fast be submerged by A LOT of choices and you will have to think with a long term approach if you want to optimize your team creation. At first really you need to farm for the resources and evolving items, you get creatures on the way, then the more options the clearer you will see something shaping up.

EDIT> It is a good point to have a fire creature in your party in general, because if you ever find a Phoenix (one of strongest creatures of game), he will fit right in and replace your current fire creature.
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AlHazin
AlHazin


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posted August 31, 2017 10:08 PM

Yeah, and you have a marionette, good debuffer, reroll your croco to trigger its x8 multiplier it'll be your nuker, replace the dwarf with it.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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zombie
posted August 31, 2017 10:39 PM

Thanks guys! I did have a prismatic orb handy, rerolled the Leviathan to 2x green 1x light 1x dark (kept cause it's still a 8x multiplier that I can actually reach with treant in party) Current formation is marionette-treant-Leviathan-Dwarf, which leaves one spot for either muse or croc. What yellow creatures should I be on the lookout for? Maybe replace dwarf with dragonling for healing?
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Galaad
Galaad

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posted August 31, 2017 10:56 PM

GG with the reroll, additionally the two green dots from Leviathan will give mana supply to your Treant.

You can't run without a healer though.

One thing I couldn't know when I started playing, you can anticipate the regular event quests, in these quests you can farm for some very good creatures. Here's a list of the cycle order.
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The_Polyglot
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zombie
posted August 31, 2017 11:22 PM

Don't have the energy to farm much - is the plus max energy worthwhile? - and I doubt they drop on knight difficulty, which is what I can beat more or less consistently.
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Galaad
Galaad

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posted August 31, 2017 11:32 PM

The_Polyglot said:
is the plus max energy worthwhile?


Yes!

Quote:
and I doubt they drop on knight difficulty, which is what I can beat more or less consistently.


They drop rate is lower but they still drop, and as you progress you should be able to beat the higher difficulty levels.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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zombie
posted August 31, 2017 11:48 PM

Doubt I'll be progressing much, especially after the honeymoon period is over. To get notcrap creatures you need 800 diamonds a pop, hefty! Leveling them is another currency! But anyone you invest in xpwise will get rendered obsolete in a flash!
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
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posted September 01, 2017 12:01 AM

The_Polyglot said:
To get notcrap creatures you need 800 diamonds a pop, hefty!


No, you just need to play the game, most of my best creatures came from random summon idols or dropped in quests/towerfor the smaller ones. Basically any of the best smalls and rares are in lower levels on tower.

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Leveling them is another currency! But anyone you invest in xpwise will get rendered obsolete in a flash!


After a while you won't lack resources, also in upcoming update we will be able to fuse combo dots, so no more fear investing in 2-3 dots.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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zombie
posted September 03, 2017 01:12 AM

So three of my party are at max level, one more is approaching it... and I still can't beat Lord difficulty. Got a 2-dot Muse, but it can only go to lvl 30 and my original muse while only having 1 dot, is at 45. XP gems are really hard to come by evolution materials even more so, not that evolving small fry is a good idea.

Feels like I'm doing SOMETHING wrong at least
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