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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 09, 2017 11:02 PM

Map Drawing


While I was working on my first XXL map I made over 400 new objects and spent hundreds of working hours trying to realize all ideas I had and ideas  I got in meantime.
Such a big map requires a long and patient designing process. During that period (almost 1 year) I had a lot of  time  for different kind of experiments, trying new stuffs,  improving my map making style, found some new tricks, and finally - I discovered a brend new method of   making maps for HoMM3.
I found it gives unlimited opportunities of creating a HoMM3 maps.
And nonetheless I used it a quite a lot in my map, I just scratch the surface.

I call that mapmaking method Map Drawing, or Drawing on the Map.

What is it about?
Well, instead a putting (old or new) objects on map surface, you can create rectangular pieces (patterns) with whom you will cover some  map area.
First you have to make a screen shot of that area in purpose format (number of pixels, by side,  must be multiply of 32), and then in some program for drawing (Photoshop, Gimp, or just Paint) you can modify it by redrawing, or adding pictures you want... You can use collage technique, or just editing existing picture by using filters, brightness/lightening, changing colors...It's all up to you and your creativity and imagination.

Think that it will be more clear if I show it on concrete examples.

Here are some moments I made with this method.
















and here it is last part deconstructed



Suppose - You've got a catch.


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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted December 09, 2017 11:14 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 23:18, 09 Dec 2017.

Great designs. I don't really understand the part about new design type, if you only mean divide bigger than 220x220 defs into smaller squares then assemble them on maps, the whole "composed objects patch" is made from. Or maybe I misunderstood.

Edit: ah ok, I understood, you take screens of the map then divide screens into 220x220 defs. The backside is that when your new objects, already having a layout attached, will not be of any use for others mapmakers, in case they need other layout, imo.

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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 09, 2017 11:21 PM

Salamandre said:
Great designs. I don't really understand the part about new design type, if you only mean divide bigger than 220x220 defs into smaller squares then assemble them on maps, the whole "composed objects patch" is made from. Or maybe I misunderstood.


Yes, you are  right.
Same as standard object, the biggest pattern can be 256x192, so if you want to cover map with bigger picture, you have to split it in more smaller parts.

Problem is if whole patch is animated, because there is no way (or I don't know for it) how to synchronize all parts as one.
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Salamandre
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posted December 09, 2017 11:30 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 23:32, 09 Dec 2017.

You can't synchronize animated defs, I already tried for Atlantis, no way to control when a def first frame starts.

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This one is fantastic, my preferred.
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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 09, 2017 11:50 PM
Edited by DoC_Sumann at 00:45, 10 Dec 2017.

Salamandre said:
You can't synchronize animated defs, I already tried for Atlantis, no way to control when a def first frame starts.

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This one is fantastic, my preferred.


thank you, man.

it's all your fault, anyway


and few new looks for inferno towns (I tried to not have two same looking towns on themap)






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Salamandre
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posted December 09, 2017 11:54 PM

Then second screen, I would put a music track when hero is near that town. Look how

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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 10, 2017 12:10 AM

Salamandre said:
Then second screen, I would put a music track when hero is near that town. Look how


That's exactly I want to, but don't know how.

Some evil laugh with screams in background...or something like that.

Also, I want to have specific sound on many other location on the map.
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Salamandre
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posted December 10, 2017 12:14 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 00:22, 10 Dec 2017.

Open Heroes3.snd in Data folder. All wavs starting with LOOP[...] are about objects which play a track when the hero passes by. The track can have any length, short or long, but better not too long because when you go away and come back, it restarts. Such objects are gazebo, water wheel, creatures dwellings, etc etc, just place them on a testing map then go with hero near each one to identify the corresponding tracks. Then change the music for one of them and make sure that object is not appearing in your map, except when hidden by your new town inferno. Should not be difficult with custom maps - you have about 60-80 different possibilities (don't remember now exactly but there are a LOT of those objects).

Then remember to create a new snd lod(pac) for your mod, with the new sounds. Don't replace the originals because then it will be a mess to release mod.

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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 10, 2017 12:22 AM

Salamandre said:
Open Heroes3.snd in Data folder. 1All wavs starting with LOOP[...] are about objects which play a track when the hero passes by. The track can have any length, short or long, but better not too long because when you go away and come back, it restarts. Such objects are gazebo, water wheel, creatures dwellings, just place them on a testing map then go with hero near each one ton get the corresponding tracks. Then change the music for one of them and make sure that object is not appearing in your map, except when hidden by your new town inferno. Should not be difficult with custom maps - you have about 60-80 different possibilities, I already used this.


I will try, but you know how annoying I could be while trying to learn something new about mapmaking
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Salamandre
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posted December 10, 2017 12:27 AM

Actually is not that hard, just download 300 spartans and StarGate Atlantis then look at their .snd files. Basically you will find thousands of wavs with all effects, so use them as database to pick from. I wish I had such thing when I started, gathering sound effects is damnt long and tedious.

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fred79
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SCOURGE OF THE H-SEA
posted December 10, 2017 04:28 AM

DoC_Sumann said:



i'm with sal on this one. definitely my favorite, just by the ground texture alone. would you mind sharing it, or would you rather wait until you release the map?

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Baronus
Baronus


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posted December 10, 2017 08:47 AM

Great! We need more like this! Really you should create more objects.
How about castles in clouds? Or Steam Era map?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted December 10, 2017 09:35 AM

This map will be Heroes 3's swan song.

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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 10, 2017 10:32 AM

Baronus said:
Great! We need more like this! Really you should create more objects.
How about castles in clouds? Or Steam Era map?



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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 10, 2017 10:38 AM

Salamandre said:
This map will be Heroes 3's swan song.


To finalize it, think I will need one more year...
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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


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posted December 10, 2017 10:45 AM
Edited by DoC_Sumann at 18:25, 10 Dec 2017.

fred79 said:
DoC_Sumann said:



i'm with sal on this one. definitely my favorite, just by the ground texture alone. would you mind sharing it, or would you rather wait until you release the map?


fred,

it is consist of six pattern which I repeated few times...and most of them are animated (by myself)

see what is under, when I remove first two




EDIT: I was even thinking about incorporate velvet magic landscape you mentioned in your object's topic

if you want to do it, just capture it, then divide in several pieces, make an object of every particular pieces... Only problem could be copyrights
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fred79
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SCOURGE OF THE H-SEA
posted December 10, 2017 09:24 PM

it's no big deal; i was just curious what i could do with it. i have more than enough on my plate as-is, to even be attempting for more content.

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NimoStar
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Modding the Unmoddable
posted December 11, 2017 07:06 AM

In H4 you can syncronize the start of animation by putting them on a brush.

H3 doesn't have brushes, but I supposse if you try enough times (putting and removing), you can syncronize the anim.

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DoC_Sumann
DoC_Sumann


Hired Hero
posted December 12, 2017 07:03 PM
Edited by DoC_Sumann at 19:04, 12 Dec 2017.

here you can watch short film of last part of this XXL map

The Last Part of Map
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Salamandre
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posted December 12, 2017 10:25 PM

thx, great video and great underground design. Waiting for more.

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