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posted February 01, 2019 02:51 PM |
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posted February 01, 2019 03:10 PM |
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I don't know about genocide but I know first hand that white farmers have been murdered and white businessmen boycotted, even this last year. The hate is real and there is no reasoning things through.
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posted February 01, 2019 04:17 PM |
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*begin trolled response*
Lol, cnn? Really? Guess you didn't get the memo that nearly all media is run by the left(certainly including cnn; which is a clear-cut propaganda outlet) ; whereas black-on-white violence is a "no-no" topic.
*end of trolled response*
Clearly another bait thread. I'll give you one point for making me call your intentions out for anyone not bright enough to smell what's cookin', though. 
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posted February 02, 2019 11:52 AM |
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Because any topic you don't like is automatically a "bait thread".
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posted February 02, 2019 12:34 PM |
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using more bait because i'm ruining your fun? sorry, mayne. next time, don't be so obvious in your op. the most effective trolling is done softly.
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posted February 02, 2019 12:56 PM |
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soy boys can't troll.
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posted February 02, 2019 01:18 PM |
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tbh, calling a liberal leftist a "soy boy" isn't trolling softly, either. you might as well be a liberal leftist calling a conservative a "nazi". they're both overused terms that are too well-known to be of any decent trolling use. calling each other names, period, automatically negates the seriousness in which your opponent will take your argument(which automatically negates any trolling done by experienced trolls, and equates everyone arguing with the level of "n00b").
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posted February 02, 2019 02:08 PM |
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fair point, but BlizzardSoyBoy loves pigging out on tofu, therefore, the term soy boy is used properly here.
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posted February 03, 2019 01:30 AM |
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Genocide is a big word, there is no such thing happening there, not at such scale. But there are white people killed because their skin and - especially - wealth then media crap prefers to hit on "alt-right" conspiracies, play on words instead of giving a proper analysis and report the truth. The same media which keeps hammering there is a systemic racism towards blacks in white countries, while all blacks in the world dream and do whatever they can, including risking their lives, to come in.
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posted February 03, 2019 11:10 AM |
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Comparing racism with genocide is impossible, they are on two different scales. White people in Africa are also killed because of historical factors, as they got wealthy through colonialism and the huge lands they own are the ones that have been once seized by the colonial powers from the locals. To be honest I am really surprised the white never were exterminated in austral Africa after independence.
Moreover, the thing with genocides is that they are unpredictable. When I was killing ants at home nobody ever noticed.
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posted February 03, 2019 12:54 PM |
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AlHazin said:
When I was killing ants at home nobody ever noticed.
Hey, i guess you have to start somewhere, amirite? 
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posted February 03, 2019 01:20 PM |
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As if it was so simple. Early 2000, Robert Mugabe Zimbabwean's president stripped thousands of white farmers of their farms, without any compensation. Following what, food production plummeted and the country’s economy collapsed.
Where "Two cheers for colonialism" of D'souza starts to make sense.
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posted February 03, 2019 01:47 PM |
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Elvin said:
I don't know about genocide but I know first hand that white farmers have been murdered and white businessmen boycotted, even this last year. The hate is real and there is no reasoning things through.
First hand? That's an interesting statement to make. I doubt you've been there to witness any of that. Maybe someone you know let you in on the situation, then how do you know to what extent you can trust them? Even news feeds you can't fully trust nowadays.
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posted February 03, 2019 02:00 PM |
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The origin of the resentment is quite simple, yes. I don't see why the White would have received a compensation when the Black didn't receive any from the British decades before, you don't recieve compensations when you lose something you have stolen in the first place, do you? Moreover, it's simply not the confiscation of the lands that lowered the production, rather the multiple factors and the general corruption (usually backed by the former colonial empires).
You are the one simplifying there. Thinking that Africans can't sustain themselves by themselves, that's the real colonialist mentality. Forgive me for not sharing the opinion of those stricken by the Stockholm syndrome, I don't have it thankfully as when those collaborationists only start recording their history starting the colonisation (colonialism having educated them to think they have only been savages throughout the centuries), I do record theirs way before that. Mighty and wealthy African empires have existed long ago, they were so strong in fact, that the Spanish and the Portuguese were no match for them (and had to buy slaves, rather than capture them). Europe (and not all of it) only took a real edge after the industrial revolution. This is why the partition of Africa only happens in the late 19th century.
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posted February 03, 2019 02:37 PM |
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And they collapsed, as Greece, Italy/Rome, the post Napolonean France and so many before and after, no civilization is eternal. Update your software to the reality.
When other people come with superior knowledge and technology, you don't rush and believe its enough to throw them away, use their knowledge and get same results and prosper, this is not colonialist mindset, but common sense and intelligence. History is created from scaled progress, there is no spectacular jump anywhere. Knowledge has a price too, think at that.
Also I respectfully RECALL you, in case you skipped that core detail, that I originate from a country which never colonized anyone but was instead often colonized and its culture constantly molded on its strong neighbors values, at first Rome, then Turkey, URSS, we weren't in what you would call a safe place, away on another continent. Yet I consider that as a inevitable process, seeing what animates mankind in first place, the struggle for more power, influence and wealth - you won't change that, the only thing you can control is how you survive to it positively and not eternally carrying resentment. Africa doesn't make any exception, is only that they lack knowledge and technology to carry such plots. When they had both of them, during the Islamic conquests, they tried same thing, colonize the world. They lost, this is where whining should end.
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posted February 03, 2019 04:15 PM |
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Edited by AlHazin at 16:17, 03 Feb 2019.
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I think I noticed the collapse, but you, you don't get my point. My point is that African leaders or elites today use the western history of Africa to set the basis to building their future, they are not aware that they have been civilisations before. It's as if you ignored the existance of the Greeks and the Romans and started your historical recording point after the Islamic conquest of Europe. Is it how you recall your history? No. You are aware of what existed before the superpower that outshined you for centuries, and that helps you define you. It's the basis for your very identity.
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Also I respectfully RECALL you, in case you skipped that core detail, that I originate from a country which never colonized anyone but was instead often colonized and its culture constantly molded on its strong neighbors values, at first Rome, then Turkey, URSS, we weren't in what you would call a safe place, away on another continent. Yet I consider that as a inevitable process, seeing what animates mankind in first place, the struggle for more power, influence and wealth - you won't change that, the only thing you can control is how you survive to it positively and not eternally carrying resentment. Africa doesn't make any exception, is only that they lack knowledge and technology to carry such plots. When they had both of them, during the Islamic conquests, they tried same thing, colonize the world. They lost, this is where whining should end.
Thank you for the respectful recall you don't need to take that defensive stance with me. Moreover, comparing the human colonisation and domination throughout the centuries with "colonialism" -go check the precise definition if you need to- that mainly existed in Africa and the Americas is a flawed analysis. There has been a shift and that shift has been created by capitalism or its first version mercantilism.
Here we're talking about justice between people and the expectation, for a nation or a group of people, to build their future without being exploited by the stronger and having to melt into a cultural influence that aims at dominating the world through the most unfair ways. I don't understand how you would call that whining, because if I follow your logic, everyone should have accepted the dominant one, even the 3rd Reich or the East block, which hopefully, wasn't the case.
Opposing resistance to others working against your interests is sain, it's not whining. It is NOT in the interest of Africa to have a White elite, remnant of the colonialism forementioned, holding the economic monopoly. Apartheid (if not political, as least economic) is not a sain basis for human development.
You know in these African cases you have two perspectives, no need for Byzantine jabber. Either you the 'White' population leaves, or their a national reconciliation. Justice between the White and the Black, and that justice goes by breaking the monopoly on the wealth and land. That's a long process, but it's just as viable as the first one.
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posted February 03, 2019 04:45 PM |
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posted February 03, 2019 04:57 PM |
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You would be right if you didn't overlook the ethnic issue in the cases we're discussing.
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posted February 03, 2019 05:57 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 17:58, 03 Feb 2019.
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I think I am right because justice is not made based on the color of someone skin, their origins or their ancestors' history.
You are really surprising me here, AlHazin. What relevance does ethnicity have? Or are you actually saying that one party is justified in their hatred towards the other?
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posted February 03, 2019 06:08 PM |
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The partition of lands is 115 years old (1913, right?). None of the "white" actual farmers stole anything, they were born there then they worked their a$$ hard to succeed, we have as proof the Zimbabwe issue: as soon as they spoiled and sent them away, the economy collapsed and people starved. They also have African nationality...
I watched last year Macron's African tour and listened carefully to his speeches and debates, especially with young blacks from universities. Everyone asked for independence and for France to stop interfering. Fair, IF true (when Macron asked them specifically to name what actions they blame, there was none to specify, but conspiracy level theories).
Then they asked for free electricity, free money, free scholarships, free medicine, a lot of stuff they think France owns therm. This ain't work, you can't claim your independence but ask nonetheless to remain under perfusion. Until when? Look at Algeria. The first one to blame "the white man", yet they have no problems profiting from special tariffs, preferential % from banks, free healthcare (37 millions euros debt)and so on. Not speaking about increased affirmative discrimination which starts to piss more than one.
I guess it is easy to cease all relations with a country, if you estimate it has negative impact on all levels. Why don't you do it then?
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