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posted April 28, 2002 08:48 PM |
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Freedom of Thought...
There has been quuite a few political threads lately, and I noticed that many if not all of them has been closed by the mods. I believe this is a mistake. No where in the rules or even the idea of a discussion board says that we cannot engage in political discussions. Just because an idea may be polarizing or controversial, by no means should it be excluded from discussion. Must we be bound to only discuss heroes or silly personal threads, (BTW I do like the silly threads), I believe that we are all adult enough to actually talk about differences in world view and politics.
That said, I now say that yes I am an American,(for those of you who believe that we should not say American, what else should we call ourselves? A citizen of The United States of America, boy thats a mouthfull and long to type, If you are a citizen of the United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland, do you not still call yourself English? We are Americans, we will not call ourselves anything but, it is short for citizen of The United States of America, live with it). I might disagree with the ideas articulated by Ogneslav, or Dongio, or SirDunco, or anyone else. Does this means that I should not be exposed to these ideas? No. The exchange of ideas is what discussion and debate is all about. It doesn't matter that we have advocates on either side of an arguement, it is good to thrash out ideas and see how others see us and how we see ourselves.
Lets keep the free exchange of ideas going. If everyone agreed with everything I said, debates would be boring(But everyone would, at least, be right).
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RMS
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posted April 28, 2002 08:54 PM |
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...this place is already being degraded to somewhere I no longer really like. Once I would have bee honored to call this place my home...now, I am feeling alienated by my own friends.
...if this keeps up, sadly there is little keeping me from leaving this wretched place...
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Cat
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posted April 28, 2002 09:17 PM |
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If you are a citizen of the United Kingdom
(Egland, Wales, Scotland, N. Ire) you are British, not English. You are Englih only if you are from England. It's not a hard concept. It's like, if you are from Greece you are Greek, not European.
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Conn
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posted April 28, 2002 09:30 PM |
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Edited By: Conn on 28 Apr 2002
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Freedom of thought...
There is such thing as freedom of thought, but there is also such a thing as over-doing it...While i choose not to enter this political debates, i have no problem if others doi it, as long as they keep it clean, and argue their opinions with respect. But i also think this is a gaming forum, and taking things too far is a mistake. I have HC set as my homepage, and honestly call many of the people here my friends. I come here to relax and have fun, and while i enjoyed reading the debate in the "My fellow Communists" thread, since everyone debated the problems with facts( their view of it, at least), i think 3 threads about this is too much. And, IMHO, it was starting to degrade into a "i'm better than you" attiude...
Edit: "call many of the people here my friends" ...and off course, one that has become very special to me...and i call my lovely wife now...
( I have to hide those presents from my father-in-law really quick now... )
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phYscHo
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posted April 28, 2002 09:37 PM |
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lots of people are assuming aswell, stereotyping is a large problem that i can see in these 'political' threads..
for example if i say i was born and raised in africa, does that mean im black?
well i was born and raised in africa, and im not black, but without me telling you, many people would have jumped to that assumption straight away,(whether it be a good or a bad thing in there minds)
we cant judge anyone on this forum, by the country they come from, or if they love whatever sport, but on what they say and their opinions, and if they differ from yours.. well then thats nothing to get over excited about
if we kept things slightly less directly confrontational ( my countrys better than yours) i think the mods would allow the threads to stay open
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Ogneslav
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posted April 28, 2002 10:26 PM |
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phYscHo
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if we kept things slightly less directly confrontational ( my countrys better than yours) i think the mods would allow the threads to stay open
I totally agree with you!
This (my countrys better than yours) is exactly what I hate and the only reason I posted my first thread.
There are some people that all the time shout around "My country is great, it is big, it is developed, it is free, it is powerful, it is rich, it supports the world, it looks after world prosperity and human rights, etc, etc" Some of this might be and IS true, but nothing is so unique, heroic and altruistic as they present it. It is like Bill Gates showing on TV every single night and criing "I am rich! I am rich!".
HOWEVER LET US PLEASE ALL CLOSE THIS THREAD!
I AM THE MAIN REASON FOR IT AND AM REALLY FED UP WITH IT.
I thank anybody (Oldtymer) that supported me and especially those who dissagreed with me, but defended my right of different-thinking.
I thank anybody that dissagreed with me, but kept his good manners.
I feel sorry for anybody that fell down to cheap irony, threats, offenses and licking ischiatic muscles (they know who they are!).
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IceDragon
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posted April 29, 2002 08:07 AM |
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*pokes Ogne on the shoulder*
That's exactly what got up our bums when you started going off on America. Yes, rampant patriotism with an "I'm better than you" attitude is bad. But the sad fact is, America's not the only one, and they WAY you said what you were saying, made it seem like YOU WERE GUILTY OF THE SAME THING. Whether that was your intent or not, tt was actually quite humorous. I encourage you to read your own posts (ALL of them) with the point of view that YOUR post was written by an American, about Bulgaria (or wherever you call your home in your heart). eek. Sounds pretty bad, doesn't it?
It's perfectly OK to love your country, despite its faults. But you have to remember that the faults are there, and if you're one of the lucky people in a country LIKE America where you can work to CHANGE what's bad about it, then it's your freedom, your right, and your OBLIGATION to work toward that end. And don't forget to criticize only those who are guilty of the crime of elitism... lest you yourself be viewed as an elitist by your criticism of the whole group.
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Romana
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posted April 29, 2002 11:06 AM |
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Edited By: Romana on 29 Apr 2002
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Freedom of thought and freedom of speech are 2 different things..I agree we should be able to discuss politics as long as we don't get hurtfull and call eachother names..
which brings me to the point as to why the threads have been closed IMO.
Some of us are not capable of discussing.
well I'm not gonna say anymore and hope you all understand what I'm saying(typing)
Love:
Romana
ps: just look at the phylosofy thread and that explains it all
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SubZero
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posted April 29, 2002 12:52 PM |
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Don't be so uptight, it's gonna be alright.
RMS was right.
Many veterans of the board are gone and it seems that this board isn't what it used to be.
People are freaking uptight and everything turns into debate what is wrong, what is right.
There have been "problems" with this kind of discussion also before. Malkia had thread about some philosophy subject and it turned to be debate over religion. Lot of angry feelings there but also lot of talk.
But we are still living, aren't we?
This kind of discussion where someone is to be blamed "immature" is as funny as Bjorn's halfjoke which turned one thread upside down to some sort of debate about issue that isn't clearly the best subject to fit the forum.
IF people want to talk about the issues, let them talk as long as it isn't everywhere in the board. So do them in the right places.
IF you don't like some message you don't have to read them or answer them. Just ignore them.
MODS can do the rest but it seems they have started closed every thread which isn't really healthy either.
What's wrong with people anyway?
Geez, relax...
This is just one forum.
I started once flaming thread so we each could share nice hateful feelings about each other and have some fun but it didn't take long when there was people saying "this isn't nice at all, please stop it". Maybe some understood the joke but some...
It was just a freaking game not any real world.
Just like this forum is one of many in internet and people don't give rat's ass about each other.
Just bring your opinion into my face (screen) and I might comment it. 
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DonGio
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posted April 29, 2002 01:08 PM |
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Oldtimers initial post sounds a lot like my reply to Ogneslavs "Why do the Mods close all my threads"-thread. And I must say that although I found tempers heated at times, and people bordering on becoming personal instead of factional (is that a word?), I never found myself personally insulted an felt that all the posts tried to make a point and contribute to the discussion.
And the only reason there were suddenly three posts on politics was because the Mods started closing them down!
Debate well
DonGio
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SirDunco
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posted April 29, 2002 01:35 PM |
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I agree with OldTimer
Look we WANT to talk about these things...so why not let us? It was an intersting thread(To My Dear Heroes Communists) and many people liked it. There for once was an intellignet discussion...so why did u shut it down? Can't we express our oppnioins to each other?
That's all i have to say...
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Ichon
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posted April 29, 2002 04:31 PM |
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debate
OK, might as well continue the idea...
Pretty much how I post in response to people is exactly how they post, so if someone posts derogatorily- I'll respond the same way. No point in taking the high moral ground in this type of forum. I only needed to respond that way to two people which no point is served in naming unless we want to start if again. Also, if anyone is curious- I'm actually Candian, but I live in the US for now, but am soon going to be living in Japan- if you think you can make some hay out of guessing my preferred nationality or my ethnicity, go ahead...
As for the difference between a debate and a conversation- a conversation can take turns, a debate is a linear affair as basically one side presents, the other side counters and then presents... much different than a conversation. I think people don't like confrontation, but- then again, dislike of confrontation is one of the largest rationales for apathy.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted April 29, 2002 04:35 PM |
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just for the record...
I closed these threads because I got several IMs from people asking me to do so... personally, i was enjoying the whole thing..
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CraigHack
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posted April 29, 2002 06:46 PM |
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...this place is already being degraded to somewhere I no longer really like. Once I would have bee honored to call this place my home...now, I am feeling alienated by my own friends.
...if this keeps up, sadly there is little keeping me from leaving this wretched place...
Yuup! You and other Tavern mods have allowed this to happen and now you are ready to bail out!! You will be replaced by someone who will make it better or worse depending on how they handle themselves and others.
I am personally not interested in threads where angry young men discuss politics and religion but I handle it by not reading the rhetoric.
Good riddance I say!
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arachnid
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posted May 05, 2002 03:28 PM |
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If you are a citizen of the United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland, do you not still call yourself English?
Do Canadians call themselves Americans because they live in North America?
Im Scottish which is a part of Britain just like England is, in no way what so ever does this make me English though. There is also no such place as United Kingdom of England.
It really bugs me when i even here American politicians make the same basic mistakes and call it England.
Ways to say Britain: United Kingdom, UK, Great Britain, Britain, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
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Moon
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posted May 05, 2002 07:15 PM |
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I don't care much about those Diskussions, but why does anybody need to close them? Don't like it? Don't read it.
Thats ten times more simple than driving a Moderator to close it.
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