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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Storm and Ice Elementals
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phoenix4ever
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posted May 19, 2020 12:50 AM

Remember to vote, if you have an opinion guys.

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Zaio-Baio
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posted May 19, 2020 03:18 AM
Edited by Zaio-Baio at 03:25, 19 May 2020.

phoenix4ever said:
It is claimed Storm and Ice Elementals have "no melee penalty", while in fact this ability does'nt work for either of them.
This means that Storm and Ice Elementals kinda lose an ability, as they do full melee damage as Air and Water Elementals, but not as Storm and Ice Elementals.
Do you think they should actually have no melee penalty?


Guys, before conflux town was introduced to the game the archangels were the best lvl 7 units in the game. Conflux's lvl 7 units (the phoenixes) turned out to be stronger, faster and cheaper than the archangels, also their dwelling was cheaper to build. Phoenixes were stronger because of the 2x growth (20 phoenixes crush 10 archangels in 1v1 battle), also 20 phoenixes were cheaper than 10 archangels - 1 phoenix was priced 2k gold + 1 mercury, while 1 archangel - 5k gold + 3 gems. On top of that conflux also had a better early game due to sprite + storm elemental combo. + better heroes and nice and cheesy armageddon tactics.
So there was no need to give storm and ice elementals no melee penalty, conflux was already too strong.

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Baronus
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posted May 19, 2020 09:02 AM
Edited by Baronus at 09:04, 19 May 2020.

Baronus

Simultanously we must correct phoenixes.
Nonsensible is 25% rebirth. Rebirth all or noone! If phoenix has rebith that means all phoenix has it!
So 100 % rebirth BUT 2 growth!  

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Phoenix4ever
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posted May 19, 2020 09:22 AM

@Zaio-Baio Yeah at least it's not like that in HotA. Conflux is much weaker in HotA.

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bloodsucker
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posted May 19, 2020 10:46 AM
Edited by bloodsucker at 10:49, 19 May 2020.

Zaio-Baio said:
So there was no need to give storm and ice elementals no melee penalty, conflux was already too strong.

You are confused. On one hand you say "it turn out", then Phoenixes were cheaper and stronger then Archangels, on the other hand "there was no need" for Ice and Storm to have no melee, cause Conflux was already too strong. If they knew at that point that Phoenixes were too cheap, it would be just a matter of making them more expensive.
I do believe it was a bug caused by the rush to launch an expansion and not a deliberate decision. Now, should they have it or not, that's another question. I think they should but that's just my two cents.
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Ghost
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posted May 19, 2020 08:17 PM

Baronus said:
Simultanously we must correct phoenixes.
Nonsensible is 25% rebirth. Rebirth all or noone! If phoenix has rebith that means all phoenix has it!
So 100 % rebirth BUT 2 growth!  


Yeah I think 50% rebirth, and 2 growth. But I want 24 attack and 21 defense. so good statistics/value. Even better if I modder.
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