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posted April 23, 2021 03:57 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:10, 23 Apr 2021.
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artu said:
Look, it’s not like they are making a career decision, “should I be a doctor or a lawyer, hmmm, let me wait.”
These is not what I've meant, I thought I was perfectly clear here. It's because of the gravity of such a decision that I would prefer for it to be suggested as cautiously as possible (not in the "look at us sex-change is great mkay!" way). And brain chemistry being the reason is too big of a longshot (not negating it, just thinking it might not always be the actual case). There might be many other reasons, and outside influence (as in "social media") definitely won't help here. Teenagers like to overdramatize, there were many cases in which they were so deep into their lies or indecision that only a psychologist could help in discerning the truth (for example in divorces where parents manipulate with the bias of their children, it's very common). A teenagers psyche is a glass canon.
artu said:
So no, I dont think the overwhelming majority of people who identify themselves as trans are doing it because of some spoiled teenage act or some internet trend etc.
You don't think or you don't know? Some groups are clearly focusing on pushing their agenda. They are completly obsolote to the harm it might bring. "Trends" are one of them.
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The problem is you wait untill adulthood, your body will have fully matured into the sex you started with. You end up with the clowny look Kip mentioned on the first page. To get the best result, you need to start early. Obviously that brings the problems you were thinking of. So that’s why teens have been agreed on as the best of both worlds.
Fair point. But I just can't keep silent about the fact that this is at the same time so intrusive. You know this, I know this but children are inexperienced and prone to suggestions, they don't know if being "sad and unhappy" is because of their biology or because they are lost and overwhelmed by the world around them. Like those celebs stating "now I can finally be happy!" after sex-change. We don't know if the said celeb won't have a change of heart in a matter of years. Some of them make a living off being dramatic or have sudden "changes of heart". I wouldn't trust them to be role models even in a potentially good cause.
Accepting "differences" is one thing. Promoting them is another.
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posted April 23, 2021 04:08 PM |
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Cross[-]dress  but we keep a party.
Ok Finnish famous tv tried to congressman.
In psychologist lexicon says mental illness, but you must know which is one, if roleplaying. When picture you can see he isn't in a hospital.
Shemale isn't mental illness, but yes Denmark or Norway by law theirs. I can't remember which is country will send to doctor with.
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posted April 23, 2021 09:39 PM |
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@blob
Well, to have absolute knowledge, we must have brain scans of all the transexuals in the world, dont we. But it’s Occam’s Razor, if somebody is actually modifying their body through such hard process, going through surgery, years of clinical treatment etc, I think in majority of the cases, it is much more probable that they indeed feel the need to, than the possiblity of them reading a web site and going, hah, let me try that tomorrow.
What is promoting it exactly, demanding acceptence? “This is promoting it” rethoric is mostly used by conservatives as a reaction to these people becoming socially visible. We have the same thing, when LGBT people do a march or protest, all Islamist media and the ruling party goes, “how dare they promote this, it is against our family values.” But the protesters dont promote anything, they dont shout “come be a trans, it’s wonderful” They demand equal treatment. I agree that LGBT protests sometimes look too grotesque, as if it is some BSM party not a protest, as if all LGBT people are dressed in leather boots and kinky clothes all the time. I think that sends out a wrong message to the average person, who would in fact not care too much, if they have a right to marry each other etc. But the way they are done, the protests intimidate most people.
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posted April 23, 2021 10:07 PM |
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artu doesn't think it odd that a pandemic of transgender proportions came out of seemingly nowhere, with hardly anything historical to back up such an occurrence...
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posted April 23, 2021 10:18 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:21, 23 Apr 2021.
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Social media made them more visible obviously. Just because they became more vocal doesnt mean they didnt exist before. And of course, until recently it was such a bigger taboo, a lot of people kept it inside and didnt come out of the closet because such a thing would be social suicide. (And there are periods and cultures throughout history in which being gay or transvestite is less of a taboo and more visible but sex change operations or hormone treatment is only possible with modern medicine of course.)
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posted April 23, 2021 10:23 PM |
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It's just a relative matter. If women would make a parade in Saudia Arabia, dressed like Western Women, it would be considered completely outrageous.
Same thing here with the kinky and leather stuff. It shouldn't be considered strange. I mean, gay male sex involves a lot of stuff considered, well, gross. If you accept that as, well, not your kind of beer, but not your business, all the rest shouldn't be considered stange or unsavory either.
It's the "rubbing it in your face" attitude that gets people to be upset, but it's exactly that attitude that matters to them, not the parade as such. The fact that they have the same right to show off their sexual preferences than the "normal" guys. That they are not TOLERATED by the others, but actually have equal rights and are NOT tolerated. They are not owing anyone anything. and they can do whatever is legal, not needing to say thank you.
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posted April 23, 2021 10:52 PM |
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Well, it's not that I think the clothes are "indecent", I just think they are irrelevant to the context and they cause the protests to backfire. But hey, if that's how they want to do it, that's their business.
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posted April 23, 2021 11:00 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 23:00, 23 Apr 2021.
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lol. what other word would you prefer i use over "delusional", artu? 
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 11:13 PM |
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You can stick to “delusion,” it brings a certain flavor of irony to your posts that only you cant taste.
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posted April 23, 2021 11:45 PM |
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ooooh, that's good. come up with that all by yourself? i'm so proud of you!
*gives artu a participation award*
*pats artu's head*
now go play, little rascal. daddy's gotta help mommy with dinner.
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artu
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posted April 23, 2021 11:58 PM |
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I wish, we could all stay 12 forever like you do, fred. 
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fred79
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posted April 24, 2021 04:04 AM |
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and now you're grounded. go to your room. 
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posted April 25, 2021 05:50 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 17:51, 25 Apr 2021.
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artu said:
@blob
What is promoting it exactly, demanding acceptence? “This is promoting it” rethoric is mostly used by conservatives as a reaction to these people becoming socially visible. We have the same thing, when LGBT people do a march or protest, all Islamist media and the ruling party goes, “how dare they promote this, it is against our family values.” But the protesters dont promote anything, they dont shout “come be a trans, it’s wonderful” They demand equal treatment.
They can demand equal treatment that's their right. But you're missing my point. I am pointing out to the bad influence it has on younger minds. They start to think their problems are as easy to solve as picking up some meds or theraphy, or changing pronounces. Another thing is that many of these teenagers are spoiled and think they're the center of the world. Youtube/TikTok is full of this crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4oVc6WnZA
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posted April 25, 2021 06:13 PM |
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You mean, you are ok with people demanding equal treatment but complain about the bad influence it has on younger minds - the reason for which is said younger minds are spoilt.
What DOESN'T have a bad influence on younger minds who are spoilt and self-centered - and what is more, why would anyone care?
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posted April 25, 2021 10:49 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
You mean, you are ok with people demanding equal treatment but complain about the bad influence it has on younger minds - the reason for which is said younger minds are spoilt.
Don't twist my words. It has nothing to do with trans people demanding equal treatment for themselves, it's about promoting sex-change as something perfectly fine.
JollyJoker said:
What DOESN'T have a bad influence on younger minds who are spoilt and self-centered - and what is more, why would anyone care?
I don't know what you are on about...
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posted April 25, 2021 11:03 PM |
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Well, maybe you should think a bit.
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posted April 25, 2021 11:06 PM |
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If you mean people shouldnt take the decision lightly, yes, sure. But I dont think anybody can take such a thing lightly, once it gets real anyway. And there are already precautions such as going through psychiatric evaluation among other things..
Not taking it lightly, doesnt mean it should be a demonized taboo though, because than you have people, already going through a very though process also dealing with the social stigma.
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posted April 26, 2021 12:04 AM |
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yeah, the social stigma of mental illness, and facing people capable of critical thought and capable of dealing with reality, to have to deal with afterward. not to mention, the realization that just turning your plumbing inside out and/or getting skin grafts to not even coming CLOSE to resembling the sex your mentally ill brain convinced you of, being something ELSE they have to face. or not, if they opt for suicide. which they tend to end up doing.
and people like you promoting insanity and self-destruction of the mentally ill, of course.
how can you people live with yourselves? everything you do and think is utterly wrong. ALL of your bs. ALL of it.
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posted April 26, 2021 12:34 AM |
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You know, perhaps there are lizard people and they're the ones promoting this transgender craze
Jokes aside, it'd explain the insensibility - the idea that someone can be cured of a mental ilness (or, as Stevie puts it: have their software fixed) by literally mutilating their body (which would be analogous to fixing a program that's frequently crashing ny smashing the motherboard) is poisonous, untrue and wicked.
Also, the fact that this has been normalized to the point that opposing it automatically labels you as "transphobe" is so ludicrous that... geez,if I'm having children, they'll be homeschooled, won't have access to unsupervised internet. I get the Amish now. Our culture is rotten.
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posted April 26, 2021 01:00 AM |
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fred, you’ve already been informed that being transgender isnt defined as a mental illness. And unless your usual arrogance caused by your utter ignorance doesnt lead you to think you know better than professional psychatrists, this should be a closed case. You are absolutely in no position to lecture anybody about facts, your comprehension of what makes something a fact is untanable, your ill-informed convictions are not facts.
I personally knew a few transgender people who I can easily vouch, are mentally healthier than you. And since, it’s been now three times that you left this place, drooling and ranting on about how all of us are scum, yet you keep coming back after the drama queen phase is over, then end up pulling the exact same pathetic tantrum, maybe it’s you who has a hard time living with himself. So even if they were mentally ill, supporting to put a stigma on the mentally ill may not work in your favor. You are in no position to lecture anybody about critical thinking either, a gorilla has better critical thinking skills than you have. Stop devolving every thread into your ranting wall.
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