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Salamandre
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posted December 15, 2021 11:51 PM |
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@JJ
All that, which is only your opinion btw, doesn't invalidate my point - the groups suffering the most injustice from mainstream - which has a worldwide echo, are whites and conservatives.
Is not that I complain about, but when someone brings the transgender drama as being the paramount of group identities injustice, I am sorry but not even close.
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posted December 16, 2021 09:17 AM |
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And I say the extreme right doesn't suffer enough, the moderate right suffers justifiably so because they don't distance themselves - and there is no left anymore to go at with equal vitriol.
The transgender problem is just an example of how the right is using the existing problems - like bathrooms - to their advantage. I'm with you, that it doesn't make sense to drop legitimate points of criticism just because some interest groups hijack the issue to further their purposes - but that is the thing you and others don't see.
The right isn't jumped upon because of their points of view, they are jumped upon because they are dishonest.
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posted December 16, 2021 04:00 PM |
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Edited by Kipshasz at 16:03, 16 Dec 2021.
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Me reading the last few pages of this comedy.
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artu
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posted December 16, 2021 10:22 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
And I say the extreme right doesn't suffer enough, the moderate right suffers justifiably so because they don't distance themselves - and there is no left anymore to go at with equal vitriol.
The transgender problem is just an example of how the right is using the existing problems - like bathrooms - to their advantage. I'm with you, that it doesn't make sense to drop legitimate points of criticism just because some interest groups hijack the issue to further their purposes - but that is the thing you and others don't see.
The right isn't jumped upon because of their points of view, they are jumped upon because they are dishonest.
I wouldnt call it exactly dishonesty and what is specific to alt-right/far-right or whatever you call it, can be rather summed up like this.
1- Most of them live in a crazy world of wildest conspiricies. Since they fanatically deny to acknowledge or trust anything reported by actual journalists, their sources of information are usually much worse than mainstream media, it's a bunch of internet sites with zero editorial process, accountability to law, blatant political bias and heavy dose of ignorance.
2- Although they seem to complain about how people victimize themselves for no reason and take offense out of thin air, ironically, they are the loudest, most spoilt whiners I have ever seen in my life. For every transgender person making a fuss about pronouns, there are ten far-right idiots making a fuss about how transgenders make a fuss about pronouns. Just look at this place, dozens of crap threads and not one of them posted by a transgender member. (And we have at least one tg member, she was a completely reasonable person back in the times she posted.) For every black person complaining about racism, you have ten white guys complaining how racism doesnt exist at all or how racism actually exists against the white mainstream! I mean, it's one thing when minorities or transgenders complain but it becomes terribly annoying and hypocrite when the mainstream does it, since they are the ones complaining about victimization. So some transgenders want to be called zhe, oh no, it is the end of civilization!
@Sal
Picking individual examples of mistreated white conservative people, media figures etc. and then comparing it to social groups is absurd. And besides, real life is very different than social media or media. You dont happen to think a white conservative person living in some regular town face more hostility, weird looks, innuendos etc. compared to a transgender or that a French guy in the suburbs has a tougher life than some African immigrant in the ghetto, do you.
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fred79
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posted December 16, 2021 10:30 PM |
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steaming pile of bullsnow posts... reprehensible.
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Salamandre
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posted December 16, 2021 11:25 PM |
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artu said:
Picking individual examples of mistreated white conservative people, media figures etc. and then comparing it to social groups is absurd.
Why is absurd? We live in a "progressive" ideologically driven society which is now fragmented in identity groups, based on political, racial and gender characteristics. If I said blacks suffer injustice, you and many here would have agreed 100%, but if I say white people, everyone looks surprised, kaboom.
And politically why not, again? You keep repeating that "most of conservative" do nothing but spread conspiracies, while you don't blink a second when left medias worldwide blatantly lie during 3 whole years about some Russian collusion, way worse and damaging.
artu said:
You dont happen to think a white conservative person living in some regular town face more hostility, weird looks, innuendos etc. compared to a transgender
Sure I do. Every day, I see or read about people facing hostility, both on social networks and in mainstream media, based on their political beliefs.
I can make you a list with hundreds of cases where jobs or advancements are refused because not the "good" political side. Most universities do not accept conservative debaters, this is a very large echoing discrimination which has in the long time destructive effects. Looks you are affected by transgender peanuts "weird look" discrimination, but the elephant ion the room remains invisible.
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or that a French guy in the suburbs has a tougher life than some African immigrant in the ghetto, do you.
Sure millions of them do, this myth of "ghettos" where Africans roast in poverty has been debunked long time ago. They receive the biggest financial state assistance and their renting is half payed by tax payers. Could not say same about millions of lower class French who simply can't choose to live in those "ghettos" as they will suffer racial discrimination and constant violence, because white and franch. Do you know that almost all Jews in France have quit such areas because they were facing death threats?
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Salamandre
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posted December 17, 2021 01:47 AM |
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You didn't get it. Jews are expelled from the so called ghettos by Africans, racial hate. My point is, transgenders on the hate list are nowhere in the top 10.
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posted December 17, 2021 06:25 AM |
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Edited by artu at 06:29, 17 Dec 2021.
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@Sal
1- It's absurd because one is happening on a sociological scale (whether it is overblown or not) while the other is incidental. Rittenhouse or similar were not discriminated their whole lives because they were white. Rittenhouse was wrongly accused by the media after a specific incident. The level of racism, if the issue is overblown or not can be discussed and is a different matter but racism against minorities and identitiy politics against mainstream majority are different concepts even if identity politics may border racism sometimes. If I'd say Kurds are this and that, it would be racist, if a Kurd acusses Turks of being oppressive, it would not. Being the majority, profiling most of the upper and upper-middle classes changes the context in such situations. Not that I'm very fond of identity politics unless there is direct attack on the cultural identity but the majority and the minority are not symmetrical in this sense.
2- That depends on your definition of conservative. Jordan Peterson is conservative enough to challenge free divorce for the good of kids but he is invited to dozens of universities, he is even some kind of debate star actually. There are many more like him. But of course people who say things like "the whole transgender thing is jewish-created. they do everything they can to divide and conquer their enemies(all non-jews)" are not invited. That's not because they are conservative though. People who say things like "when the revolution comes all the rich will have their heads on a spike" aren't invited either. And as I already mentioned, the social media with its polarized chambers and real life interactions are almost completely different habitats.
3- Immigrants get welfare support yes, that's because they are fish out of water with no financial or communal back-up in their new surrondings. I havent claimed there are no poor white people and jews are not a good example of the majority anyway, unless you are in Israel. But it's really pushing the limits of reality to claim that on average a conservative person belonging to the culturel/racial majority has it rougher than a transgender or immigrant in terms of everyday discrimination on the street.
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posted December 17, 2021 07:17 AM |
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why do you think it is, that people like myself who state things directly and plainly, would not be asked to speak at a university?
i already know your answer; i just want to see you post it so i can explain why you're wrong.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 17, 2021 03:35 PM |
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No one addresses this pile of absurd antisemitic horse manure?
fred79 said:
fyi, the whole "transgender" thing is jewish-created. they do everything they can to divide and conquer their enemies(all non-jews). again, in various degrees.
How hateful can a person be and how low can they sink?
And it's not even original bullsnow. After all, didn't the Jews kill our Lord, Jesus Christ?
Ah, well, at least you are in good company, aren't you? Pity, that Hitler guy botched the job so badly, innit?
No matter, what people like you are babbling to cover their tracks, in the end they always admit to the same crap.
Contemptible.
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posted December 17, 2021 04:36 PM |
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"silence the truth, i don't like it! facts repulse me!"
typical behavior from the typical enablers. THAT'S what's repulsive, guy. me rambling on about facts changes nothing in our world; people like you suppressing facts and pushing anti-societal values and people is actually destructive, and costs lives. you should be ashamed of yourself.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 17, 2021 04:45 PM |
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It seems, your idea about what constitutes a "fact" is about level with that of a peasant right of the Dark Ages - although I'm doing the peasant an injustice with that comparison.
A fact is something you can prove. Ah, wait. I forgot you have no concept of the words prove and proof.
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posted December 17, 2021 04:53 PM |
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this is getting better and better. 
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posted December 17, 2021 04:57 PM |
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i'm less than a peasant, huh?
you and yours have flat-out denied every proof we've presented. but sure, lie some more. you've taken on the traits of your masters, and you do their work for them. you've played not only yourself, but your friends, family, and the nation you reside in. despicable, and terribly sad.
and when the mods act against me(as i'm sure they will) they'll be doing the same thing you do. you could not begin to understand the hatred you and yours have garnered against your kind. all decent people, who understand what you are, what you do, and what you represent, hate you with every cell in their bodies. and rightfully so. there is no middle ground with your kind, and no hope for reconciliation or peace. any fact we present to you is eschewed for your self-destructive programming.
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posted December 17, 2021 05:47 PM |
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So you ARE actually an American nazi. Jew-hating white supremacy trash. If your ideology wouldn't give you away, your language does.
Nazi speech.
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Galaad
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posted December 17, 2021 06:57 PM |
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Guys, please tone it down. Try to respect each other even if you disagree hard.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 17, 2021 07:05 PM |
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Sorry, I have no respect whatsoever for Nazi-alike hatespeech. Consider this.
fred79 said:
you could not begin to understand the hatred you and yours have garnered against your kind. all decent people, who understand what you are, what you do, and what you represent, hate you with every cell in their bodies. and rightfully so. there is no middle ground with your kind, and no hope for reconciliation or peace. any fact we present to you is eschewed for your self-destructive programming.
It expresses unconciliatory hate and it threatens action, if these guys come into power.
It's the same thing the Nazis threatened the Jews with.
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Galaad
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posted December 17, 2021 07:13 PM |
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You disagree on facts or "facts", argue them. Stop getting personal or the thread will just end up getting closed like the others.
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posted December 17, 2021 07:37 PM |
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Galaad, do me a favor and read fred's posts. One after the other. Is there any post of him that is more than a one-liner which is NOT personal?
I will call hate posts what they are and the people who post them what they are. I realize that this is not ideal for you and your position, but it's high time to make a stand with this hate stuff.
Don't let yourself fool by fred's pointing to the moderators being unjustly only ever punish him and everyone else answering him should be punished as well. That's just alt-right tactics. Just read his posts again and then ask yourself whether you'd be as lenient as you are if he was a new poster.
Until this point everyone else has been very lenient towards him as well, treating him like a somehow misguided but still nice guy.
He isn't, though, and it's high time to no longer let him get away with this paranoid hate crap.
EDIT: Oh, in case that isn't clear: I don't demand that fred being silenced. I just demand to be allowed to call a spade a spade, if he isn't.
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Kipshasz
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posted December 17, 2021 07:53 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
So you ARE actually an American nazi. Jew-hating white supremacy trash. If your ideology wouldn't give you away, your language does.
Nazi speech.
Pretty rich coming from an ethnos confirmed to be genocidal lunatics and having Jewish pogroms as a national sport.
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