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fred79
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posted June 14, 2021 12:49 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:00, 15 Jun 2021.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 14, 2021 01:27 PM |
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Your theory stands and falls with proof for the existence of a group of people who are actually orchestrating that, because assuming there is and then picking things that "fit" is the same as religion: ASSUME a god, then we suddenly can see His works and hands everywhere, can't we?
I don't see that, though.
When it comes to "profits", we have a global economy for a long time - corporations operating worldwide and actually profiting from the differences between countries. If the differences would vanish and we had somnething like the United States of the World, those differences would become smaller and smaller, general profits becoming smaller as well.
Then there has been the lockdown (and not only the lockdown, the changes that brought). This had an acceleration effect of tendencies already there. Amazon isn't booming only since last year - the shop as we know them has been under pressure. Restaurants had been closing as well, because - same thing. Many young people don't want to sit in a silly restaurant wasting time waiting on the food and starting into their mobiles. They prefer to meet somewhere and ORDER food (same process as weith shops), and there is a rtising number of businesses now that specialize on cooking food exclusively for transport to homes. Social media had been a thing before the lockdown as well.
Then there are business changes. A forced increase in home office (something everyone wanted, even though not in this exclusive way). That means a boom in everything you need for a home office, electronics, furniture and so on. And it also means a massive change in traffic. Less transportation needed, cars run less miles and are sold more difficult and so on.
These changes have always happened - but now there are easier: loan interest is down to a minimum, you even have to pay something when parking money instead of getting some. Money is cheap and doesn't earn, consequently everyone needs to put their money somewhere, and the only thing to do that is either buy real estate or valuables or invest into stocks and fonds and stuff like that, so basically those who work a surplus are participating in the economy.
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fred79
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posted June 14, 2021 01:47 PM |
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and the control part? the part the whole thing is centered around? the absolute meat of the subject?
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JollyJoker
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posted June 14, 2021 03:55 PM |
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People are only dangerous when they either have nothing or too much to lose. Everyone else accepts life and "the system" the way it is and tries to make the best of it.
Which means, in states with small numbers of poor and not too many noticable ultrarich people there is social peace. Most people are satisfied and there is no need to control anyone.
However, the more there is inequality (and that's also true for gender inequality), the more people are poor or "second class", the higher the need for control to keep the lid onto things. More police, more surveillance, more corruption, more volaitility. The USA are a country with a lot of inequality, part of which comes from the permanent illegal immigration, another part being the result of ghettoisation a long time ago and so on.
So there is a much higher social volatility in the US than, say, in Germany.
In other countries - like China - control is part of the deal anyway.
So that means, a higher demand for control is to be expected in the US than in other Western countries like, say, Canada. Rioting, gang activity, drug trafficking, illegal immigration (and professional human trafficking), the fact that anyone may pack, the increasing pressure on the police force with ever tightening rules and less freedom to deal with people any which way, all that increases the demand for more control.
Limiting the access to fire weapons is an obvious tool to try and make things less dangerous. It's a bit moot, though, since most Americans with an interest own weapons anyway, and even if you couldn't buy any new weapons or ammunition I'm sure everyone would have a stash somewhere, after all, you never know.
So this won't work.
Control via TV and "amenities"? Sure, we have that since there is TV. But it controls mostly those with nothing to do - unemployed and so on. The poor whoh have nothing better to do with their time - like children, you know. How many parents use their TV to keep the children occupied? Same thing, really.
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posted June 14, 2021 04:17 PM |
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This is simply fact. All those 'pandemia'. Trump cancelling. Financial cintrol. Medical control. Social media control. Censorship. Paswords. Inviglliation. Never befor we dont saw such cumulation of total rule. Only blind sont see it.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 14, 2021 04:28 PM |
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Have no fear, God will save us all.
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posted June 14, 2021 04:40 PM |
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'Equality' is a bad word, nothing was made equal by design or intention. Do i fear being reborn as as mentally incapacitated for example - I do, so one must show compassion where it is due, however the deformed guy in '300' could not hold a shield and should not have wanted to. That makes him wrong (for seaking vengence). However, I guess you could argue it was entirely right for him to repay the kindness his kin showed him.
Is this the steep path of moral reductibility?
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JollyJoker
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posted June 14, 2021 05:01 PM |
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Equality is an abstract term like Justice. It doesn't mean everyone IS equal with each other, but that everyone should have equal rights, be judged by the same laws and so on.
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posted June 14, 2021 07:25 PM |
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Equality
Terry Pratchett, Hogfather said:
“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"
MY POINT EXACTLY.”
Equality is one of those BIG LIES. And it's a fine one at that.
...as long as it is Equality of Opportunity, not Equality of Outcome.
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You are suffering from delusions of adequacy.
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fred79
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posted June 15, 2021 04:59 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:00, 15 Jun 2021.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 15, 2021 07:39 AM |
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Because I wanted to know what the inner logic of your conspiracy is. But there is none.
As I said, you have no proof for anything. You are more or less actinf like a religious fanatic who fervently believes in a guiding hand, without having an actual proof for the existence. It's a mere assumption, and going from the truth of the assumption you try to fit in stuff.
People try to find and see MEANING everywhere. The human brain is always looking for PATTERN, and is filling the blanks when it sees something like that.
Now, for once, try and think logically and from the other end:
If there WAS indeed a group of people pulling the strings in order to reach some goal - why in all hells would there be just ONE? That doesn't make any sense at all. Of course there would be MANY. Why? Because the more rich and powerful people you have, the less common goals they have.
And they would fight each other. They would battle on every front there is. And between those battles with wins and losses no group would be powerful enough to decide the future course of the world.
You know how it is, you've read anough books and comics, you've seen enough movies - evil isn't able to put trust into a partner, therefore all alliances are short-lived and end in betrayal.
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posted June 15, 2021 08:41 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Because I wanted to know what the inner logic of your conspiracy is. But there is none.
stopped reading right here. that you think there isn't any logic in what i say AFTER you decide to completely deny my point while not even making an attempt to LOOK at what i'm saying; i mean, come on. who the snow do you think you're fooling with this bs? i gave you a real chance and answered your question as honestly and straightforward as i could; and you then ridicule me for it without making any effort whatsoever to look around you and see if any of what i'm saying MIGHT be true.
in the end, you responded just like i suspected you would. i haven't been able to reach you people on literally anything; and frankly, it is snowing infuriating that you and your kind will CONTINUALLY deny evidence of ANYTHING i and others unlike you point out despite the fact what i say is PLAINLY evident.
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posted June 15, 2021 09:12 AM |
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Dude, if I wanted to ridicule you, I could have done it with a lot less effort.
"Look around you" is NO WAY to support a claim. You need evidence to make an assumption, and then you have to be able to TEST this assumption, usually be making predictions.
You don't, though. You just claim a couple of half-assed things that don't make any sense at all and don't fit with anything. That's not just not good enough - it's actually probably nothing more than paranoia.
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posted June 15, 2021 09:43 AM |
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observing and studying something is literally how you learn. wtf is snowing wrong with you?
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posted June 15, 2021 10:04 AM |
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It's only part of the process.
If you observe and study something, this will give you observed facts. The next step is to conclude something out of the observed - call it a hypothesis. And the next step is to try and VERIFY THE CONCLUSION, which, if you cannot change any parameters (that is, if it isn't a controlled experiment, but something outside of anything you can influence), is done by pricipally VERIFYABLE PREDICTIONS.
Possible pitfalls are:
Ignoring evidence/data that don't fit the hypothesis (as in closing your eyes).
Interpreting evidence/data in a way that fit the hypothesis, while ignoring other possible interpretations or explanations.
Seeing only a part of the relevant evidence/data (for example, if you see only the red and yellow light of a traffic light, but not the green one, you will come to the wrong conclusions if you assume that's all there is to see).
So here is the challenge for you to check the validity of your hypothesis:
Make a prediction based on your hypothesis what should happen next if your hypothesis is true.
Note that the problem here is to find a prediction that, if true, actually proces your hypothesis is correct.
Example: Trump will be indicted this year over tax fraud.
This wouldn't prove anything - he might be indicted because he's actually guilty and pissed off some people who have an axe to grind.
You are far, far away from that.
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posted June 15, 2021 10:49 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:00, 15 Jun 2021.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 15, 2021 11:03 AM |
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Fred, why is it so difficult to get?
There is no proof whatsoever that "they" exist. NONE.
As I said, it's like you assume "There is a God", and the you continue with, but look at this creation, this intricate stuff, this, and this and this - it's OBVIOUS that it's God's work.
But it doesn't stop there - you claim not only the existence of them, but also to know what they want, what is in their interest and what isn't.
On top of it a lot of your claims about what the globalists support why are dangerously fascist.
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posted June 15, 2021 11:16 AM |
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i have made myself as clear as possible about this and even broke it down for you toddler-style, and you STILL utterly refuse to make any attempts whatsoever to understand; despite the fact it was YOU who asked ME what my views were, like you WANTED to understand. i laid it out for you in black and white, crystal snowing clear, and you still insist on telling me there is no evidence of anything while at the same time NOT EVEN TRYING to see if it's valid or not. then you have the GALL to compare what can be VERIFIED, with the existence of GOD.
get the snow out of here.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 15, 2021 12:08 PM |
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The one thing you made crystal clear is that you are a severe head case suffering from serious delusions.
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fred79
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posted June 15, 2021 12:14 PM |
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you might want to take a look in the mirror.
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