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artu
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posted March 29, 2022 01:35 AM |
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Edited by artu at 01:35, 29 Mar 2022.
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The smacking
Well, enough with things like the eve of WW3 or the pandemic, let’s talk about what’s really important. Was it okay for Will Smith to “smack the snow out of” Chris Rock, was the joke really that offensive?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 29, 2022 06:42 AM |
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Is it weird that I didn't even know who Chris Rock is before this? 
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JollyJoker
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posted March 29, 2022 09:21 AM |
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Bull question, artu. How can anyone know how offensive something is for another person?
That said, the smack didn't seem that hard, did it, considering Mr. Rock could still laugh it off, seeming more surprised than anything else, so Mr. Smith probably wanted to make a point without actually splitting teeth. A slap might have been more effective doing that, but still.
Considering that result, sure, it was okay.
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Minion
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posted March 29, 2022 11:42 AM |
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If you wanna hurt a comedian, don't laugh at his jokes. Smacking is nothing compared to that 
But seriously, of course it is not ok. Imagine if everyone who didn't like a joke can now come on stage to smack the one who made the joke? No way. That cannot be the way it goes.
At first I was more sympathetic to Will as I thought his wife was seriously ill, but nah, she is just balding. lol. Talk about overreacting. Maybe there is more to this story, anger management issues or maybe his wife has something more serious, but you don't take it out on the comedian.
Furthermore from Will Smiths perspective this was bad call. To mess up a big show like that, after all he should be a professional. He was in his element, or at least celebrating the line of work he is in with his peers.
But still best thing that has ever happened in Oscars
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posted March 29, 2022 02:28 PM |
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Nothing wrong, that's true masculinity, the one women are fond of. You are mean to the one I love, I make sure you think twice next time.
Not sure if he would have displayed same virility if it was the true Rock instead of Chris "Rock".
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artu
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posted March 29, 2022 03:08 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:10, 29 Mar 2022.
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JollyJoker said:
Bull question, artu. How can anyone know how offensive something is for another person?
Well, there is no scientific metric but common sense? If Rock sued Smith, would the court consider the joke a mitigating circumstance? Since courts do decide such things, there is a common ground about what counts and if it was absolutely subjective, anyone could be “justifiably” offended by anything, right? Had Will Smith not done what he did, would you have thought to yourself “wow, what an insult of a joke, I wonder how he can sit there and take it.” Even he laughs at it first. Then something kicks in, maybe her reaction, I dont know.
Anyway, I dont think the joke was that nasty and considering he is a comedian on stage, and he cant be thinking “oh, this is someone’s child and that is someone’s wife,” and he has to fill his time, getting a little bit offensive is the nature of the beast. The smack was uncalled for.
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posted March 29, 2022 04:09 PM |
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I see that very different.
First of all, how offensive something feels and is subjectively, is something completely different than what would be decided by a court and doesn't matter here. There is no such thing as "justifiably offended" - except in court, which comes into play only when a party that CLAIMS having been offended takes legal action and demands compensation for the ALLEGED offense (and here you don't ACTUALLY have to feel offended to claim you are and take legal action). That is, if the "offended" part wants the authorities to rule about it.
So what we or anyone else thinks is actually completely irrelevant, because you are only bystanders. You may have an opinion, sure, but it's totally irrelevant. Relevant is only what the people actually involved felt (until someone takes legal action, then the court has to decide who and what was ok). Offense "levels" differ, subjectively and situationally.
The clip you linked to seem to make it clear that it wasn't the first joke on Mrs. Smith about that issue on that day and also that there seem to be the expectation that these "stars" have to smile all the time, no matter what people say or do to them in a disrespectful way, is what Mr. Smith said and complained about afterwards.
Botom line is, Mr. Rock made a joke about Mrs. Smith's looks which has been "marred" due to an illness. It wasn't taken well, and Mr. Smith decided to make a stand and openly show what he thought about it. It may not have been the worst or most tasteless joke ever - but it also wasn't the worst or hardest smack ever, on the contrary. Mr. Rock didn't seem much affected by it, so I think it was a smack to show displeasure in a very practiscal way, not to hurt anyone.
So no one sued anyone, no permanent marks or damage, all fine.
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artu
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posted March 29, 2022 04:49 PM |
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Here’s a more unedited version of how it goes, he doesnt seem to be offended at the joke first. And up until the point he shouts at him, I think many people even thought it was part of the show.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 29, 2022 05:02 PM |
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Exactly. But remember, he's an ACTOR. He is SUPPOSED to laugh off that kind of silly crap - which is what he did at first and which is what he complained about afterwards.
If I was a judge and ANY of the involved would sue against the other I'd fine everyone of them for abusing the court's time with triviality. In reality, though, as plaintiffs, both parties would come up with an army of lawyers and attestations of how bad it was for the plaintiff what the defendant did to them.
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posted March 29, 2022 05:08 PM |
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I didn't give much credence to the staged theory, but then the things some people are willing to put up with, and more importantly the things some people are willing to do.. just think who watches these shows. Females, so nothing about anything you see will be logical, nothing will happen to Will Smith, gotta 'empower' our little girls, right?
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posted March 29, 2022 05:58 PM |
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posted March 30, 2022 12:36 AM |
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Of course Will was way out of line doing what he did.
And myself, like millions of others, who didn't care to know anything about Will Smith’s personal life besides him having another actor child, have now watched videos or read up on it while looking into his Oscar moment highlight. Certainly makes more sense of his unhinged slap but that doesn’t make it anymore okay lol. Not everyone with a broken family can go around hitting people.
Seeing the justification of why is nothing out of the norm. Never is there any mention of how a tasteless joke being broadcasted and recorded like that, and having it not go well, is a punishment in itself. Especially with today’s loser mob on social media. Shouting to Rock In response, while rude, would have been a more effective response.
Rock definitely played it off very professionally. I saw a lot of comments wishing he said some quick jab back about an entanglement or mentioning August. But you could tell he was so stunned in that moment both from the slap itself and the broadcasting still going that he couldn’t think of anything else at that moment.
And Smith’s cringy speech and dancing with his trophy afterwards lol while keeping in mind about how he boycotted some other Oscar show in the past because they’re racist apparently Lolol I mean it’s quality entertainment for sure.
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posted March 30, 2022 10:18 AM |
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It was scripted.
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posted April 02, 2022 07:15 PM |
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The one time I have ever agreed with Kip
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posted April 02, 2022 10:09 PM |
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Personally I do not draw the line at physical violence but rather at the pain inflicted.
None had any permanent injuries so it's nothing. I believe it is possible that the wife was more hurt by the joke than the smack did to Chris Rock so I'm ok with it.
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posted April 03, 2022 12:20 AM |
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Kipshasz said:
It was scripted.
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posted April 03, 2022 07:37 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 07:39, 03 Apr 2022.
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Aside from the fact that this is an insanely stupid idea to begin with, the drug in question is actually undergoing clinical trial for ulcerative colitis, not alopecia - although there is hope it may eventually be effective treating a range of autoimmune disorders. But why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
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posted April 03, 2022 03:25 PM |
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These days the difference between so-called conspiracy theories and factual truth is three months
stay tuned 
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