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Thread: [H3] Sephinrot - the feminist campaign
NimoStar
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posted May 25, 2022 12:13 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 02:25, 02 Jun 2022.

[H3] Sephinrot - the feminist campaign

I am making a feminist campaign for the Sephinroth H3 hero.

Yes, you heard that right.

H4 dealt a bit with themese of female empowerment, such as in the famous Emilia and A Pirate's Daughter campaigns.

Look at Sephinroth's description:
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Sephinroth claims to be the illegitimate child of King Gryphonheart. His refusal to acknowledge her has served to fuel her hatred against the Throne of Erathia, which she one day hopes to claim for herself. Having joined the ranks of the Warlocks, she is the only known female ever to bear that title.


First female warlock ever. Possible heir to Erathia. Isn't that something?

H4 decription retcons her as a small time criminal, and says that her claim was just "an attempt at extotion". That doesn't make sense, though, since H3 description said in no uncertan terms that she had hatred for Erathia, and there woudn't be logic in that if she didn't believe her own claim. H4 also introduces several female "sorcerers" without giving any credit to Sephinroth, so she got doubly shafted. Thus we will ignore the H4 retcons (which were extremely mean spirited against Chaos in general, having nothing good to say about them as a whole) and go with the original story, which has campaign potential.

First she will fight other Warlocks for right to bear the title... and then, on to Erathia. Of course, this is assuming the world didn't end yet, so it will be probably after the end of the original H3 campaigns (RoE), or some such.

The campaign is made on SoD engine as the way to be compatible with any game mod (WoG, VCMI, HotA, DoR, LoTS, etc.)

Scenario one of five, "Earn your war", is finished, and may be up for download soon...



Making maps in H3 is much easier than H4 since making an event doesn't require you to fill a thousand windows in different places... (you can0t even add text directly in H4, you can just name the event and then in ANOTHER menu,nside a menu, inside a menu, etc. you must fill it up...)

What do you think about this campaign and its feminist themes? Any comments? Suggestions? Reccomendations?
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Salamandre
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posted May 25, 2022 12:21 AM

There was this saying "go woke, go broke".

As long as your campaign is well designed, with challenging battles and unique scenarios, nobody will protest the feminist thing.

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NimoStar
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posted May 25, 2022 12:24 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 06:36, 26 May 2022.

Well I can't go broke since there is no investment

In any case, as I was saying, it's not like these themes are new to Heroes:
* The base for the campaign is the fully canon hero description.
* It is true she is the only female warlock in H3.
* We have a "Battle of the Sexes" official map.
* Fortress heroes are also sex-segregated.

Anyways, I'm sure the campaign will be fun for anti-feminists as well.

I'm making it callenging enough for seasoned players (first map is one town versus four)
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posted May 25, 2022 12:31 PM
Edited by phe at 12:37, 25 May 2022.

Warlocks will chase her, capture her and show her place in Dungeon's kitchen...

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posted May 25, 2022 12:55 PM

The challenge game means you can't beat the game yet, but you try again, later on you beat the game, this before you give to another your challenge game. If you beat many times after you say this is challenge game, so.. But your map looks like living-scape This is one drawer rule does extra colours like mountain on watercolour, no drawing one mountain colour without line, shadow, etc and map can do also extra colours are different mountains. When I see Heroes 3 colour used watercolour and crayon..
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posted May 25, 2022 07:23 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 20:07, 25 May 2022.

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Warlocks will chase her, capture her and show her place in Dungeon's kitchen...


Oh, they will certainly try. I believe there is an event about some savage troglodytes telling her to go back to the kitchen

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But your map looks like living-scape


Thanks Ghost. As it happens H3 3D-Based pixel art is one of the most beautiful in the wold (a shame we never got actual vegetation fitting volcanic terrain, for example, but the vegetation patches for other zones added in the expansions are very good).

I find that to landscape H is much more relaxing ad pleasant tan to do so for H4 because almost everything already feels very natural and organic.

It would be glorious if we had an official upscaled HD version with both expansions, but alas, Ubisoft's stupidity meant it was not to be, even after they were given the full source code...
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posted May 25, 2022 07:49 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 21:03, 25 May 2022.

This conversation did gave me a rather fun idea tho...



(WIP, I have already made more)

Who says volcanic places have to be lifeless?
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Salamandre
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posted May 25, 2022 08:12 PM

Download the Empire of the World 1 and 2 (author Kispalko) to see the million of possibilities for mixing terrains while keeping awesome look, as swamp + inferno with snow mountains and such.

The best school for mapmaking imo.

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posted May 25, 2022 09:07 PM

@NimoStar

You can add on magicial terrains, trees and rivers, for example.
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posted May 25, 2022 09:21 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 22:37, 25 May 2022.

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Download the Empire of the World 1 and 2 (author Kispalko) to see the million of possibilities for mixing terrains while keeping awesome look, as swamp + inferno with snow mountains and such.

The best school for mapmaking imo.


Thanks, I know tose maps exist (up to IV right?) but I'd rather invent new things myself. I had aleady done tropical volcanic before, after all, I have known H3 since 20 years ago... it hadn't ocured to me to only use the red-yellow vegetation, tho. I wish we had full red forests still, and yellow forests as well.

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@NimoStar

You can add on magicial terrains, trees and rivers, for example.


Ah yes, good idea that I wasn't using lava rivers... I had been avoiding them on the mistaken (and frankly badly designed) H4 notion, where a lava river is completely impassable (unless there is a bridge)

Hmm. More bridges would be a good idea for H4 map objects... the wooden ones on lava just don't fit.

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Another WIP part with a different style. Arid volcanic woods.


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posted May 27, 2022 10:47 AM

Cool. Not that there's a lack of strong women characters in HoMM. Or a lack of women characters at that, as half of the heroes in the game are female.

What I find kind of funny is Edric, the token black guy.


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posted May 27, 2022 08:40 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 20:48, 27 May 2022.

Yes, well, *almost* hal of heroes - remember that there trly is no other female warlock.

And fortress has all female for magic and all male for might.

Howver, I did argue before that H3 is very little "racially diverse" as far as humans are concerned.

We have white people with turbans and there is Alagar too, tho


https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Alagar

Probably indian? Ironic that he specializes in ice bolt and lived wih the Vori... (I hope that DoR recognizes him )


https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Elleshar
Elleshar is dark skinned. His race is listed as elf in the wiki but I'd wager we don't really know that.

https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Elleshar
H4 Elleshar definitely looks human (we have never seen a bearded elf in NWC Heroes that I know of) but he's also been "whitewashed"

Oh well, it's offtopic...

point is, as a warlock within Dungeon society, Sephinroth has a good in-lore cause for her feminist crusade.

And against Erathia, daddy issues at the very least
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posted May 28, 2022 01:01 AM

CountBezuhoff said:
Cool. Not that there's a lack of strong women characters in HoMM. Or a lack of women characters at that, as half of the heroes in the game are female.

What I find kind of funny is Edric, the token black guy.


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that's obviously a tribute to morgan freeman. also, you're forgetting that dracon is black. so that's two black dudes, and two black females(tamika and andra).

so in other words, the whole "feminist" idea makes no sense, regarding HoMM3.

but, because of this thread, i'm going to create a "chauvinist" campaign so that we can maintain the delicate balance of equality. for everyone.

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posted May 28, 2022 01:41 AM

Eh, woke concepts invite in HoMM3, it was about time.

Take a fictional of historical female character you admire then design a map for her to shine. My very first WoG map was about a famous female sorceress (Morgane) and she could only  have females in her army then they all rocked. The fun triggers when the mapmaker has a connection with his heroine, not with politics.
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posted May 28, 2022 02:53 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 03:32, 28 May 2022.

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you're forgetting that dracon is black.


Psch come on. It's obvious he was added in the expansion just because of the uproar.

How many black creatures are there?

I will be waiting for your chauvinist campaign and would like to play it - Unlike others I don't get butthurt by the projects of other people
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posted May 28, 2022 03:38 AM

black dragons, of course. and obsidian gargoyles if you want to nit-pick. plus, both are "upgrades". pretty inclusive, if you ask me.

just too bad that gold dragons, which are technically aryan, have better stats, though.

also, you shouldn't take yourself so seriously. nobody would give half a snow if you wanted to make a lgbtq tranny faction, least of which a feminist one(or a campaign, whatever. you do you). i'm just having fun, here.

besides, we all know the tranny faction would consist of nothing but magogs who would only fireball themselves.

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posted May 28, 2022 03:47 AM

I'm not taking it seriously, quite the contrary. The whole campaign theme is bait to generate interest and it worked

Though the feminist theme in the campaign events and story is quite real, anyone that plays it will be able to tell it is far from 100% serious.

In fact, I did recast Inferno as a town of BDSM queers whom our radfem protagonist despises. Leather, whips, satanism, and their creatures are all men? too obvious not to do it
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posted May 28, 2022 05:38 AM

Salamandre said:
Eh, woke concepts invite in HoMM3, it was about time.

Take a fictional of historical female character you admire then design a map for her to shine. My very first WoG map was about a famous female sorceress (Morgane) and she could only  have females in her army then they all rocked. The fun triggers when the mapmaker has a connection with his heroine, not with politics.


My favourite WoG map is Time of Prophecy. I played 200% difficulty. I can't beat the map. Because you said 200%, many hiddens, speed, etc. No tactics. Later on I play again to less difficulty, when I've seen whole map, so easier impossible then. I was young, I beat the map in easy level? You are better than me, even if your map, but I feel so..
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posted June 02, 2022 01:10 AM

If genies are biologically similar to humans, then HoMM3 also has trans representation in it.

Now that I think about it, in most MM games (or at at least in the earlier ones) there was always a way to change the sex of your characters.

Snowing liberals .

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posted June 02, 2022 02:22 AM

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If genies are biologically similar to humans, then HoMM3 also has trans representation in it.


Well, there are other examples such as H4 Kyrre being male and H3 Kyrre being female, tho I corrected that in my H4 mod

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in most MM games (or at at least in the earlier ones) there was always a way to change the sex of your characters.



In H3 you could change any picture character's hero sex, in the map editor thus "transing" your hero... in H4 you no longer can, tho.

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Third map of the campaign and the climactic encounter of Sephinrot and her alleged dad, King Nicolas Gryphonheart, is in process...
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