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Phoenix4ever
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posted October 19, 2022 11:44 PM |
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Why did HotA have to ruin ballista specialists?
HotA introduced a much better war machine with the cannon, however ballista specialists specialise in the worse war machine. They can then get a few bonusses to the poorer war machine or choose the more powerful war machine.
This is an odd design choice to me.
It could easily have been solved by making those heroes specialise in Artillery instead or make the bonus apply to BOTH ballista and cannon.
As it is now ballista heroes just feels obsolete, especially with Jeremy around.
Another strange design choice is pirates having 2 upgrades! HotA would probably just dismiss it as "flavor", but in fact it just makes them OP, especially with that insane Accurate Shot ability and extremely high attack and defense ratings and even no retaliation. (Which is weird for a ranged unit.)
Share your thoughts below.
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Ghost
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posted October 20, 2022 05:29 AM |
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Drakon-Deus 
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posted October 20, 2022 05:38 AM |
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I agree with Phoenix. The Cannon and the double upgrade are cool additions at first glance, however the Cannon makes the regular Ballista obsolete and the Sea Dogs are pretty overpowered with their special ability.
I'm not sure how to fix the Sea Dogs problem. It's not the double upgrade itself but the unit...
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phe
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posted October 20, 2022 10:05 AM |
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possibility of purchasing extra balistas every week and accumulating them could solve it, extra cannon once a month but with town production limit of them...
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Phoenix4ever
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posted October 20, 2022 10:42 AM |
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Yeah that's a possibility or perhaps they could allow ballista and cannon at the same time.
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shev441
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 20, 2022 07:14 PM |
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About batlista I agree that in current form doesnt make much sense. The canon is not a problem (imo its interesting idea that makes gameplay cool). The problem is that normal balista sucks. Everyone knows that, the best thing about balista it that it has 250 hp and sometimes A.I. focus it over shooters or other important creatures in your army.
Imo normal ballista should be buffed so that id deals more dmg (maybe 12/14 dmg instead of 10?), maybe make it a bit worse in different areass like reduce its hp a bit or make it a bit more expensive.
Spec could be changed to artillery , so it works on both machines. That way you could buy cannon in late game for hero that used to have ballistic as specialist and still make good use of it. Also some heroes could get totally new specialities if there are already heroes in town who have Artillery. It was weird for me alwayes that some towns have few Artillery /ballista specialist while both are not strong perk to start with.
Another idea would be to expand blacksmith in every castle - similar to what is was in Heroes5. You buy "upgraded" version of blacksmith and can buy different war machines , but those extra ones are more explensive then native for town. So In terms of cannon, in towns different than cove, it could be like 6k instead of 4k. Still you would have some access to it if you want. Also +1 day needed to build structure in your town.
Dont mid that sea dogs have 3rd upgrade. At first wasnt a fan of this idea, but few years have passed and I got used to it. I dont think its that overpower also. I mean its very strong, but also cost lots of resources and takes a lot of time. Also dont see logical connection between Artillery skill/cannon and sea dogs.
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Hourglass
Famous Hero
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posted October 20, 2022 08:13 PM |
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I also think there should be some "catch" of using the Ballista instead of Cannon. As a concept, I think the easiest way would be to give Ballista more ammo, and let it do consistent damage and outdamaging the Cannon in the long run. Perhaps this could be done by somehow changing the Artillery skill, as I'm quite sure they wouldn't directly make such changes to the Ballista itself. Another way to change things would be to make the Cannon to have less HP. For creeping purposes, it would be quite different story if the Cannon suddenly would have 75 to 100 less HP, so it would go down 2-3 hits earlier than the Ballista.
For the subject of Hota ruining Ballista specialists, I think it's kind of far-fetched claim; the specialists never were very capable heroes to be used as mains. They come with the Ballista which is amazing, but the choice of treating Ballista like a normal unit for specialty calculations didn't really make justice for the war machine itself. Simply put, the scaling just isn't there. According to the heroes.lazy, the ballista specialists get increased stats at level 5, 15, 25 and 30 (I mean, the next buff comes at level 45) As there is no speed bonus, the player may very well get through the map without seeing more than +2/+2 stat increase. However, there isn't a way of stacking the ballista and health can only be increased with a couple of artifacts, making the defense bonus basically irrelevant. So, you're only really going to a minor buff for the attack stat. If you're going to play with Ballista, it's makes much more sense to get another, decent hero and teach Artillery for that hero.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted October 20, 2022 11:40 PM |
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Well maybe the solution is to just buff ballista and make it more expensive then or to attain better ballista bonusses through Artillery?
Yeah the ballista bonus from specialty was never worth much, but it's worth even less now that the cannon exists...
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orc
Famous Hero
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posted April 08, 2023 02:13 AM |
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Edited by orc at 02:14, 08 Apr 2023.
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Cannon can attack castle walls. so it is already unique. Even if cannon does less damage, it will still be useful.
imo the cannon damage should be buffed, but cannon should only play once every 2 rounds, and shots reduced to 4.
Reason: it takes time to load and fire cannon, more than ballista.
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