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posted January 17, 2023 04:30 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
And by the way, my fiancee is black African. And I am white.
The way some people drop this, it almost seems like they were trying to bait you into racism accusations.
However, it has no bearing on the arguments at hand.
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posted January 17, 2023 06:24 PM |
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Salamandre
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posted January 17, 2023 06:33 PM |
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@Artu, jews were about 500 000 in 1930 Germany, out of a population of 67 millions. Today we have 10 millions muslims in France and at least 200 000 both legally and illegally coming in every year, out of a overall population of 67 millions. Then I don't remember having the jews in Germany do basically one terrorist attack per week, as in France, with several hundreds random people killed in the last 10 years or so.
You see why your comparison sucks?
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JollyJoker
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posted January 17, 2023 06:45 PM |
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So ... the muslim race must be rooted out?
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Ghost
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posted January 17, 2023 06:49 PM |
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But dangerous.. That's why religion must be destroyed..
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Salamandre
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posted January 17, 2023 06:53 PM |
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Stop the crap, Ghost. Not all religions are same, look migrations path, from where to where and you have your answer.
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purerogue
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posted January 17, 2023 06:57 PM |
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For every Chinese born there are 2.x Indians.
The birth rate of China is already on par with Japan.
The future is dark. 
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posted January 17, 2023 07:00 PM |
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Free! In the future your flag is meaningless.. But Islam law  Ok then talk yourself 
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posted January 17, 2023 07:06 PM |
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Salamandre said:
@Artu, jews were about 500 000 in 1930 Germany, out of a population of 67 millions. Today we have 10 millions muslims in France and at least 200 000 both legally and illegally coming in every year, out of a overall population of 67 millions. Then I don't remember having the jews in Germany do basically one terrorist attack per week, as in France, with several hundreds random people killed in the last 10 years or so.
You see why your comparison sucks?
Obviously, I didnt compare the situation in 1930's Germany with recent France. They are indeed very different. What I said was, racism is not just about skin color (melanin) and looks like you implied (and it almost never was.) You seem to be aware of this when it comes to talking about history, (you tell JJ, by his definition Hitler wouldnt be racist for instance) but the concept seems conveniently lost to you when it comes to recent issues. Just because the only concern of people arent looks, doesnt mean they can not fall into the trap of overgeneralizing hostility based on ethnical or cultural background.
Massive immigration has its problems, yes, very serious ones. But it is not the immigrants who are responsible for how "global" economy plays out. They migrate because cheap and young labor is in demand and local population fails to or prefers not to provide that.
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posted January 17, 2023 07:25 PM |
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I have no problem with people migrating to seek better life conditions - I am one, I have a problem with those who are blatantly acting ungrateful and even worse while receiving the most precious gift. And there are so many.
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posted January 17, 2023 07:30 PM |
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artu said:
(you tell JJ, by his definition Hitler wouldnt be racist for instance)
Of course Hitler was racist. He suggested that the Aryan "race" was superior to ever other race, especially the Slavic race, but every other as well. Aryan supremacy. If that isn't racist, what is?
When it comes to the Jews, they were considered the evil of the world. That's why they were to be killed.
I may no consider the Jews a race, since everyone can become one. It's a status that can change.
However, whether someone is a racist or not depends on THEIR ideas, not mine. When THEY consider gypsies or kurds a race and have somnething against them, want to kill them or whatever, they are racist, whether I consider them a race or not.
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posted January 17, 2023 07:34 PM |
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@JJ
Well, I replied in detail about that in the related post, I got nothing in particular to add.
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posted January 17, 2023 07:39 PM |
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I know kurds, when they sell 1,5kg roll kebab.. And their window is broken normal worker.. But broken window around kurds restaurant.. No longer now..
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posted January 17, 2023 08:11 PM |
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artu said:
@JJ
Well, I replied in detail about that in the related post, I got nothing in particular to add.
Maybe, but you came to the wrong conclusion with regard to Hitler (or, for example, fred).
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posted January 17, 2023 08:29 PM |
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Such as?
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posted January 17, 2023 10:03 PM |
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That "by my definition Hitler wouldn't be a racist". That's doubly wrong. One, because Hitler was an Aryan supremacist and therefore a textbook racist, and two, because even if he only had something against the Jews, if HE thought, Jews were a race and HE was of the opinion that the jewish race sucked, then he would be a racist, whether I thought that Jews were a race or not.
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posted January 17, 2023 10:13 PM |
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Hitler would be still racist according to my definition and yours, because Hitler was not just against Jewish people, he was a supremacist. But what I said to Sal has nothing to do with that, when Sal objects to you on the basis that "if Jews are not a race, then according to you Hitler is no racist" it shows us that he is aware of the fact that not all forms of racism are about skin color. Where as in this thread, one of his posts talks of racism as if it is just about skin color. I just pointed out to that contradiction.
I dont get what you mean by the fred part either.
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posted January 17, 2023 11:16 PM |
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Sorry, I misread your post (you quoted Sal).
What I mean with fred is that fred, with regard to Jews is on the same page than our favorite Austrian wannabe painter and architect. The Jewish world conspiracy and all that.
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posted January 17, 2023 11:38 PM |
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Salamandre said:
@Artu, jews were about 500 000 in 1930 Germany, out of a population of 67 millions. Today we have 10 millions muslims in France and at least 200 000 both legally and illegally coming in every year, out of a overall population of 67 millions. Then I don't remember having the jews in Germany do basically one terrorist attack per week, as in France, with several hundreds random people killed in the last 10 years or so.
You see why your comparison sucks?
you don't "remember" the jews doing anything to deserve being ostracized in Germany, because they run the educational institutions and dictated to you that the germans were the bad guys for trying to stop jewish influence and power over western civilization; after the germans got a good look at what the jews had planned, via what they were doing to Germany.
and, those muslims that just seem to come pouring into your country? just like everyone south of our border pouring into mine; ALSO because of the jews and their power over your(and our) leaders. do ANY snowing research on it that isn't just crooked establishment journalism, and you'll find this out for yourself.
rant "the muslims" all you want, they have a different culture entirely that doesn't mesh with your own, and they were introduced to your country BY DESIGN. it's being done ON PURPOSE to REPLACE the people of THAT COUNTRY and decrease it's overall STRENGTH as a nation.
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posted January 18, 2023 05:49 AM |
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That is a justification of holocaust so I won't take that path.
You make same error as the ones accusing men of patriarchate. Like "men hold all power positions and so", "the vast majority of wealth and capital is owned by men", "men decide snow" and blah blah.
In reality only a very little fraction of hard working and high capacities men are in those positions, while the vast majority of men are doing the most dangerous jobs, biggest proportion of disaffected people are men, most people in prisons are men, men are committing most suicides, most people victims of aggression are men, most people living on the streets are men, men are doing worse than women in schools and universities, most people dying in wars are men, most people receiving mass penalties in Homm forums are men, and so on.
And in the end, all those generalizations don't penalize the ones in high positions, as their exceptional wealth prevent any disagreement, but the ones in the back who are living a rough life, like everyone else. True power makes you untouchable, not your gender.
Same thing with the Jews, you have an infinitesimal proportion running banks or important institutions, but that's what, 0,1% of Jews if you look closely. All the others are struggling on the same issues as everyone else + the inherent antisemitism from low IQ irresponsible individuals from any nation, yet by such generalization design as yours millions of them were send to death like animals. Elders, women, children, everybody.
Don't forget that in tons of countries and growing, including some in the west, wearing a kippa in public puts you in life threatening position, regardless what you have done or what you think. Is a stigma.
So, no, a mental brake is needed and words should be carefully chosen.
And btw, my position against African immigration doesn't target Muslims in particular - they are in the right to live as their culture and religion asks for, but the ones allowing such mess - by design or by cowardice, and that's a political fight about what is beneficial or not for a nation. And is about numbers, not about race.
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