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Heroes Community > Heroes 3.5 - WoG and Beyond > Thread: Which of these heroes would you consider ok as starting heroes?
Thread: Which of these heroes would you consider ok as starting heroes?
phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted February 25, 2023 09:21 PM

Which of these heroes would you consider ok as starting heroes?

Just like the title says, which of these heroes would you consider fair as starting heroes?

Castle:
Beatrice (HotA), Catherine, Roland, Sir Mullich.

Rampart:
Gelu, Giselle (HotA).

Tower:
Dracon.

Inferno:
Xeron.

Necropolis:
Galthran, Undead Lord Haart.

Dungeon:
Mutare, Mutare Drake.

Stronghold:
Boragus, Kilgor.

Fortress:
Adrienne, Kinkeria (HotA)

Conflux:
Sadly does'nt have any additional heroes.

Cove: (HotA)
Bidley, Derek, Tark.

Refer to this page for individual heroes:
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/List_of_heroes_(HotA)

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gnollking
gnollking


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posted February 26, 2023 02:01 AM

Obviously: Beatrice, Catherine, Roland, Giselle, Xeron, Mutare & Drake, Boragus, Kilgor, Adrienne (lmao), Kinkeria & Derek.

Depends on the map: Gelu, Dracon, Galthran, Haart, Bidley & Tark.

Never: Sir Mullich.

Lately I mainly play giant maps with lots of areas to explore, where the armies reach quantities in the hundreds or even thousands. I am also of the opinion that a specialty should be actually special, it should be a thing that only few heroes in the game can have or accomplish. Many of the creature specialists in the game are worse than I would like, including a lot of the campaign heroes. I'm all for having certain heroes being crazy powerful with their own certain strategies. But a few of the options here can be way too powerful in smaller maps where some other heroes just don't have the time to become as powerful as them, so I put them into the middle category.

And then there's Sir Mullich, who is on a tier of his own .
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted February 26, 2023 02:44 AM

Catherine and Roland especially, and then Undead Lord Haart and Boragus.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted February 26, 2023 10:12 AM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 10:29, 26 Feb 2023.

@gnollking
So you are saying pretty much all of those heroes would be okay to start with?
What about Gelu, Dracon and Galthran, would'nt they be OP?
What about level 7 specialists?, Xeron adds +1 speed to Archdevils, which would make them as fast as Archangels. Kilgor adds +10 damage to behemoths, which is quite powerful.
Undead Lord Haart also adds +10 damage to Dread Knights.
Bidley starts with a lot of Sea Dogs and can upgrade both Pirates and Corsairs to Sea Dogs.
Tark starts with 3 nixes.
I don't really like Giselle either, but I don't like Interference in general so...
You think these are okay as starting heroes?

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Hourglass
Hourglass


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posted February 26, 2023 11:38 AM

I think gnollking already got this one pretty much solved, I think I agree with him 100%.

@phoenix
The lvl 7 specialists aren't really that threatening all things considered. If you think about Kilgor and Crag Hack for example (as both start with Adv. Offence), I think it's pretty easy to see that Kilgor would need a very spesific set up in order to come close of Crag's level of power. Sure, Crag is one of the best heroes in the game, but nonetheless it would take a very long game before Kilgor's ability would really stand out. Whereas that kind of power would be very good in the ultimate late game, the problem here is that there are other heroes who can simply achieve even greater position by being able to do more in the earlier stages of the game.

And for Xeron, the things are even worse. Inferno as a town doesn't really have that much going for it anyway, and hero like Xeron simply can't fix the issues by himself. Also, it should be noted that despite if played on SoD or Hota, Inferno really struggles at taking their high level dwellings (during week 1, maybe even at week 2), so building up a good Devil stack takes quite some time.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted February 27, 2023 05:16 AM

As Gnollking I almost exclusively play giant maps, so...
Gelu & Dracon are ok for some longer maps but I would look for the Armorer, Logistics or (preferably) Offense of that town. Beatrice & Miriam can be good too, at least if you have time to dig for a better fighter, in tavern.
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NimoStar
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posted February 27, 2023 02:11 PM

Gelu gives too much advantage when turning level 2 into level 4 s

I even consider enchanter guy less OP because more enchanters barely give more advantage, plus they are very expensive and barely any better than archmage in combat (they have same health)
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phoenix4ever
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posted February 27, 2023 02:40 PM

Yes, but Enchanters cast mass spells, like Mass Slow or Mass Haste! More of them means it's easier to keep at least some of them alive, for that beautiful spell cast, but yeah as a level 6 unit they are very fragile. (Same with Sharpshooters as level 4.)

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NimoStar
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posted February 27, 2023 03:52 PM

I meant in more as in, Enchanters already come from powerful/expensive high level creatures (magi, monks) (magi are harder to recruit without hota) while Sharpshooters can come from mere cheap archers, which even come as starting creature for Castle (same as Elves for rampart). meanwhile, monks and magi don0't come as starting creatures for anyone
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Phoenix4ever
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posted February 27, 2023 04:50 PM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 16:51, 27 Feb 2023.

Well you are right about that one, I would also say Gelu>Dracon, especially since Gelu has Archery (and Leadership). Both are very powerful though.

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phoenix4ever
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posted February 27, 2023 09:00 PM

BTW. did anyone notice that Mutare and Mutare Drake's specialty icon is a Red Dragon in HotA, in the wiki it's a Crystal Dragon. Was it a Crystal Dragon in SoD?, I can't remember.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted February 27, 2023 09:13 PM

phoenix4ever said:
BTW. did anyone notice that Mutare and Mutare Drake's specialty icon is a Red Dragon in HotA, in the wiki it's a Crystal Dragon. Was it a Crystal Dragon in SoD?, I can't remember.


Yeah, in the vanilla game it was definitely a Crystal Dragon icon.
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phoenix4ever
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posted February 27, 2023 09:49 PM

Thanks DD.

I think I will go with Beatrice, Kinkeria, Derek, Xeron, Mutare and Kilgor as 17th heroes. Xeron, Mutare and Kilgor will get +1 speed and attack and defense for every 7th level to devils, red dragons and behemoths. (Rampart, Tower, Necropolis and Conflux will sadly only have 16 heroes though.)

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