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Thread: Do you ever get tired of...
Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted August 11, 2023 11:31 PM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 23:32, 11 Aug 2023.

Do you ever get tired of...

spamming the same few spells over and over again?
In the mid-late game all I seem to be casting is spells like Implosion, Chain Lightning and Meteor Shower, especially if I have the Earth or Air orbs.
Sure stuff like Mass Slow, Resurrection/Animate Dead and maybe Mass Haste and Blind are also great, but besides that which combat spells do you actually cast?
Wow your hero specializes in Weakness, Precision or Slayer, but when are you actually going to use that specialty?
Or when was the last time you cast Magic Mirror or Sacrifice, yeah you probably need some time to think about that.

I guess what I am trying to say is I am becoming pretty bored of spamming the same few spells over and over. Level 4-5 damage spells (except Inferno) seems very powerful and there is just not much reason to cast anything else.

What is your opinion on combat spells and damage spells?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted August 12, 2023 12:52 AM

Well, if you are to cast sacrifice, it means you lost the game, since every battle should be done without any causality, in general. So no, I am happy to never have to cast it. Play other people's maps, you will see, game differs from one map to another. Avoid random maps, they are only for MP or an experimental field for really beginners.

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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted August 12, 2023 12:54 PM

I don't remember when I got a Resurrection last.. Slow changed rarely in the Mage Guild.. Maybe HoMM3 tired me, when in the combat, I used a Slow rarely, so maybe HoMM3 is thinking a useless to me, and HoMM3 gave to me, what I used the most spells.. Not my devastation, when I'm playing in the WoG/ERA.. So not Slow, Implosion, etc are possibly, I play also random maps, thus different maps, Difficulty Mod plus HUMAN AI.. In there are training to me.. If not those MOD, random maps are the world easiest map, thus normal difficulty level.. I never lost in the random map.. Yup WoG/ERA! I'm not tired yet.. I meant MODs give more challenge..

Don't fear, you go to the other maps.. Why not HC maps? In there Val aka Sal, Bloodsucker, Ghost, DarkLord, etc You know who are HC members.. Those are different styles.. We want you play other maps..

I suggest you play Battle of Glory (RoE), in there different versions, thus tournament map or such something.. YouTube showed over 2 hours too.. I like a good map, he is a great pro, if playing still HoMM3.. When old and beauty map..

Battle of Glory

Noes? Forget it..

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thecastrated
thecastrated


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posted August 13, 2023 10:13 AM

You sound like a beginner.

You mean in mid to end game you never cast forcefield lvl 5 elementals, clone, berserk, townportal , normal lightning,

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted August 13, 2023 10:25 AM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 10:26, 13 Aug 2023.

Yes, but usually there are better things to cast.

Not a beginner, I have played the game on/off for more than 20 years.

LOL Town Portal is not a combat spell.

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Ghost
Ghost


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posted August 13, 2023 03:14 PM

Not a Elite, I've played the game for 24 years. When MP.. In the 2008, I tried to join tournament, but slow Internet.. I'm GM+.. Sal is a Elite, and Maretti is a Elite+, etc I haven't a belief.. Belief? An example of intelligent, strong, etc Yup modest GM+.. So believe me!
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted August 13, 2023 04:03 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 16:06, 13 Aug 2023.

Force field costs 500 mana in this map, you start with 4000 so can cast it 7 times + the usual resurrect before end.
Late game best spell here, hypnotize, but you have to make it work



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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted August 13, 2023 04:35 PM

@Phoenix4ever

I'm speaking a normal strategy.. Not fabled.. Remember Battle of Glory (RoE), and the next map is Illusion World III (AB).. But Sal, and other will give Unleashing the Bloodthirsty to you.. So you know surely +6000 maps, you find Unleashing the Bloodthirsty (AB).. And then SoD map, I'm still browsing.. Hmm Illusion World III is harder than Battle of Glory.. When chosen spells.. So we can get a knowledge, if you able to beat a normal maps them.. Tell to us!
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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


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posted August 13, 2023 06:40 PM

phoenix4ever said:

LOL Town Portal is not a combat spell.


Maybe he meant Teleport. Decisive spell if you need to move a slowpoke non-flyer stack.

Disrupting Ray, Berserk are no joke either.

If you don't play vs human player or well-made custom maps, you don't need to be creative with the spellbook.

But of course, there are spells which range from strictly situational to virtually useless. Or which have got the numbers wrong like Hypnotize, Frenzy, Mirth, Fortune and maybe Counterstrike. Nothing new. Not even speaking of cross-school balance w.r.t damage spells.

IIRC you mostly play your own maps. So if you feel there's better alternatives to a certain spell, why don't you make those alternatives harder to get access to? Enforcing "situations"....

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heymlich
heymlich


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posted August 13, 2023 07:45 PM

thecastrated said:

You mean in mid to end game you never cast forcefield lvl 5 elementals, clone, berserk, townportal , normal lightning,


Exactly. In the late game, there is only mass slow and the occasional blind to make sure the opponent doesn't flee

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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted August 13, 2023 08:10 PM

Psych.

1a. Protection from Fire on the battlefield in final.
1d. Hasn't Expert Protection from Fire, or Dispel?! Dispel!
2a. Armageddon!
2d. What the Snow!

1a. Mass Slow!!!!!!!!!!!
1d. EXPERT PRAYER!
2a. Mass Shield!!!!!!!!!
2d. EXPERT HASTE!
3a. Mass Dispel..
3d. Blind
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Thecastrated
Thecastrated


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posted August 13, 2023 09:05 PM

Salamandre said:
Force field costs 500 mana in this map, you start with 4000 so can cast it 7 times + the usual resurrect before end.
Late game best spell here, hypnotize, but you have to make it work





I do not get what sal is trying to show? Use the forcefield arch to resurrect the dead ones? But isn’t resurrection limited to three? I do not get the point

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted August 14, 2023 01:47 AM

No, I mean various maps ask for various strategies, is not the fixed pattern Phoenix describe, as he plays one map only, again and again.

For instance, in that battle, you can cast force field only 7 times because of high mana cost. So, you have to create a living force field by hypnotizing adjusted stacks around. It's that the game offers so many possibilities, I don't get it why some complain about.

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Thecastrated
Thecastrated


Famous Hero
posted August 14, 2023 02:50 AM

He’s a beginner no idea how strong humans can be. So he’s making noob moves and gets away. I think current comp requires X 3 army and stats size to match a human

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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted August 14, 2023 07:46 AM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 07:48, 14 Aug 2023.

Stop calling me a noob, you are the noob.

@Sal Force Field does not cost 500 mana, so that is a very weird case you are referring to there.
I mean can I also now pretend Mass Slow costs 1000 mana and therefore is useless?

When talking about the game, we can at least stick to the rules we are all familiar with.

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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


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posted August 14, 2023 09:36 AM

Salamandre said:
Force field costs 500 mana in this map


Even in the classic H3 campaigns there's some maps where you need to use funny spells.

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Ghost
Ghost


Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
posted August 14, 2023 10:26 AM

But DarkLord is more PRO than Wayfarer, etc and you can edit spell level and mana, right?

I think AI should have a Cure or Dispel, right?
Yeah no - Celfious said

Do you know The best spells by Alex_The_Magician.. Alex beat Lexiav, and Lexiav's the best spells are longer video, so watch and laugh..

No idea!
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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted August 20, 2023 06:20 PM

I see you! Do you remember the Unleashing the Bloodthirsty?
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted August 20, 2023 06:47 PM

Is there a Red Orb guarded by dragons in the end?
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