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bloodsucker
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posted August 28, 2024 10:32 AM |
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Some deeply disturbed thoughts
Why am I like this?
Making a map I've turn main hero so strong I have no imagination to give though fights. I'm thinking that I need to find a way to enhance enemies starting heroes so that they can put a challenge to the uberheroes I created... So, what comes to mind?
... Since I'm already giving my fighting heroes a commander from start, despise choosing "Commander must be hired" & "Choose commander class", how about I say "Commanders are not Enabled" and be the only one with a commander (and a Second Henchman).
Why? I'm perfectly aware this is why my maps are unpopular.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 28, 2024 11:37 AM |
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Maybe the frustration and lack of perspective come from the fact that you ignored traditions, but without proposing other challenges, it goes directly to uber fights without intermediate steps. Eventually every map out there ends with your hero being the strongest, but that's towards the end, not early. And as a reward, not a cheap present.
I would say, when you feel lost, give a shot to old maps, but without cheating at all, let your senses sweat and struggle, then it will become clear to your mind how to create proper progression. Once the foundations are build, let your imagination blossom and great ideas will come.
P.S. Second henchman sucks, this is the easiest way to destroy a map. Remove it and everything will start looking healthy.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 28, 2024 11:54 AM |
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She starts like this...
But I have to admit Second Henchmen is too good for sane fights...
Btw, where do I find Give Experience to Neutrals?
OK, I'll give it another try, I started without it and it was different.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 28, 2024 02:05 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
Why? I'm perfectly aware this is why my maps are unpopular.
I learned that all maps are good.. If poor maps are removed from the internet, maybe you can play 101 the best maps, for example.. Only 101 maps  Thus I don't vote anymore..
Another sense if you are amateur.. Dry story, when popular walkthrough, i.e. 1 player vs 7 computer AIs.. that LotR, Jedi, etc I don't play walkthrough and non-HoMM.. The large troops vs the boss is also popular.. Hmm you get many QPs from noobs, if you give a victory to noobs.. Minimap must have colourful..
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 28, 2024 02:24 PM |
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A bit later, one of my amateurish fights...
 
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 28, 2024 02:30 PM |
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You can tell to Phoenix4ever..
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted August 28, 2024 03:17 PM |
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1000+ dragons defeated day 1, you are a great warrior. 
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 28, 2024 03:39 PM |
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Salamandre said:
1000+ dragons defeated day 1, you are a great warrior.
I would be a greater warrior if I had given them the level 3 I wanted...
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Celfious
Promising
Legendary Hero
From earth
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posted August 29, 2024 09:37 AM |
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Deeply disturbing thoughts
For several reasons, I fear this pizza I got from a food bank. Like it looks regular but I feel it would be rational for them to serve us cancerous pizza.
That's why I'm skinny
Themats why I buy my food with all the regular people.
Tomatoes
Avocados
Pretending I still have Nintendo's.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted September 13, 2024 02:44 PM |
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@Salamandre Ok, I'm drawing something that looks more like a map then I was expecting. I've coded some interesting battles but... the progress issue remains. Please, give me the name of some maps that, in your opinion, do that right and I will play them, to see if I can learn from it.
P.S. I know, this should be a PM but...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 13, 2024 03:23 PM |
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I am afraid there is no one way to draw a map, it depends on so many parameters. Can you recruit strong creatures early? What creature you start with? Do you have access to earth magic then to resurrection spell - or clone if castle - early? Are the AI static or can freely move anywhere? Can you build several towns of same type early? Is map accessible everywhere from start or is limited by quests, gates etc? and so on.
There is an enormous advantage to design a WoG map, as scripting on the fly allows a much faster setup of the progression, you basically script every battle to fit your progression, while in SoD we had to restart the whole map after adjustment.
Then, just do not focus on what others like, draw it to create your own fun, then if is effective, some others will enjoy as well. Also keep in mind that good maps are often updated for years - Paragon for example, so you don't have to deliver a perfect product.
Also, some will like, others will hate, the usual frolicking, don't pay attention.
10 years ago, I could have linked a dozen of optimal maps, but now I don't remember many, as I didn't play for a while. Killing for Power, The Empire of the world 1 and 2, The Lord of War (all on mapsforheroes), thats all I get right now, sorry. Paragon also is a wonderful map to inspire from, but terribly hard so better don't kill yourself over.
Anyway, if you plan on testing maps with cheats, there is no way you can get the right feeling of progression - frustration and failure are necessary, so that is to keep in mind.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted September 13, 2024 04:05 PM |
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@bloodsucker
If you've a time.. Try them.. I wrote in MapHaven Guild over one year ago.. You can learn them, what Sal said sometimes..
Ok Voters have spoken!
HEROESPORTAL.NET
1.) Paragon, +300k downloads, 1000 rating
2.) Metataxer's Revenge (english version), 9816 downloads, 433 rating
3.) The Empire of The World II, +85k downloads, 417 rating
4.) Wayfarer (E), +29k downloads, 390 rating
5.) Jedi Story, +29k downloads, 351 rating
6.) Lord of the Rings 3,0, +18k downloads, 340 rating
7.) Unleashing the Bloodthirsty, 22k downloads, 304 rating
8.) Way Home, 8483 downloads, 280 rating
9.) The way of queen, +46k downloads, 260 rating
10.) Vengeance is mine, +19k downloads, 249 rating
MAPS4HEROES.COM
1). Lord of the Rings 3,0, +43k downloads, 56 rating
2.) Wayfarer (E), 46K downloads, 47 rating
3.) The Empire Of The World 2, +27k downloads, 40 rating
4.) The Devil Is In The Detail, 30k downloads, 35 rating
5.) Element Land, 14k downloads, 26 rating
6.) Ira the Mage, 19k downloads, 23 rating
7.) Jedi Story, +14k downloads, 22 rating
8.) To Tame a Land, +12k downloads, 20 rating
9.) Conquest of Heaven and Hell, 12k downloads, 18 rating
10). War of the 7 realms, 8390 downloads, 16 rating
Thanks
So you can see their map names, minimaps, plots/descriptions, etc
True! I tried Ravnica..
https://www.maps4heroes.com/heroes3/maps.php?keywords=Ravnica&type=&size=&difficulty=&humans=0&teams=0&players=0&sort=3
amusing - Ravnica
good map for beginners.
realy rich; good to make some new heroes friends , cause we need them !
it has been 20 years now of existance and 21 years im playing this game, thanks to the map makers.
myth - Ravnica
After several fails with all the races I managed to crack it quite fast with Castle. All spells are available, yet I found it really hard to get my hands on TP. Diplomacy really important and aggressive surfing of the map. Got myself really early 80 black dragons. Also very important are the monsters from quests. Good map, old style run and burn.
But no rating.. Only players who like MTG.. And the biblical Nod, you know no one interested in religion, thus only 556..
Ok 
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bloodsucker
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posted September 13, 2024 04:43 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Anyway, if you plan on testing maps with cheats, there is no way you can get the right feeling of progression - frustration and failure are necessary, so that is to keep in mind.
That's the thing that delayed this question so long. I've beat HotA random maps years ago, for testing, and after I started cheating never felt like going back.
But I've watched hundreds of hours of Glenn's streaming, saw him evolve from someone I looked as a beginner to a master of his craft and evolved almost nothing (as a player, I've evolved a lot as map designer), during the same time. So, I have to be doing something wrong and you pointed out an hypothesis I think deserves to be tested. No cheating this time, then.
@Ghost Thanks but I don't won't to even try the ultra-hard maps like Paragon and Wayfarer or the puzzle ones like Metataxer's Revenge, I know that's not what have in mind.
My last try on a map (that will never be released cause it's for HotA and relies heavily on two separate heroes polls and rehiring for AI...) used a bunch of those tricks I've shamelessly copied from the "good" maps and that and Adelaide being a clone of my favorite hero ever (Alexander) are exactly the things bothering me.
I have to be able to do more then just plagiarise others.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted September 14, 2024 03:07 PM |
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted November 09, 2024 09:53 AM |
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One thing I have to concede is: if you want your amazing hero to really conquer the map, you have to keep enemies stand-still or in controlled closed areas.
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