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posted October 04, 2026 05:44 PM |
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They say France has fallen
Is there any insider here to tell us what's happening there with a more reliable account of facts?
Some news reach here, but they're often biased, especially coming from the mainstream media, and I don't know how France's own outlets disclose whatever is happening there, or how accurate that is.
What we know here is that immigrants have taken hold, and there's no going back.
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Galaad
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posted October 04, 2026 09:46 PM |
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I live in Paris and I'm French, so I can at least give you the perspective of someone who actually lives here.
No, I wouldn't say that France has "fallen". If your picture of the country comes mostly from dramatic clips circulating online, you're probably getting a very distorted view of everyday life here. France is still France, people live perfectly normal lives, and most places are nothing like the warzone sometimes portrayed on social media.
That doesn't mean everything is fine either.
Immigration has become a major issue, and pretending otherwise would be just as misleading. According to INSEE, immigrants represented about 11.6% of the French population in 2025. Integration works very differently depending on the place, and the demographic and cultural changes are obviously much more visible in certain neighbourhoods and suburbs than the national average suggests.
So I wouldn't dismiss people's concerns about immigration, integration or security. But "immigrants have taken hold and there's no going back" is already an interpretation rather than a factual description of what France looks like.
Personally, though, I think France's deeper problem is political.
There is an extraordinary level of distrust towards the people and institutions governing the country. The latest CEVIPOF survey found that only 22% of French respondents trusted politics, and only 20% trusted the National Assembly, while trust in local mayors was still around 60%. Interestingly, people haven't simply rejected democracy: a large majority still considers democracy a good system, while also believing that the way it currently functions in France is deeply unsatisfactory.
An earlier CEVIPOF study also found that 57% of French respondents believed that "real power lies elsewhere", often pointing to financial markets, the EU or large corporations. That's actually closer to my own concern. I wouldn't state as a fact that France is "controlled by an oligarchy", but there is clearly a widespread feeling that elections do not give citizens as much control over policy as the democratic system theoretically suggests.
Then you have the economic side. Purchasing power hasn't simply been falling every single year, so I don't want to exaggerate that either. It actually recovered strongly in 2024 before declining again in 2025. But after several years of inflation, housing costs and other unavoidable expenses, a lot of people genuinely feel squeezed. France also has very high public debt and deficits, weak growth, unemployment rising again, housing problems and increasing pressure on parts of the healthcare and public-service system.
There is a demographic problem too: the population is ageing rapidly, fertility has fallen sharply and in 2025 France recorded more deaths than births for the first time since the end of WWII. That's going to put additional pressure on pensions, healthcare and public finances.
So immigration is definitely part of the French debate, and in some places it's a very visible part of it. But I think reducing everything happening in France to immigration misses most of the picture.
To me, the bigger story is a combination of political distrust, a feeling of democratic powerlessness, economic stagnation, pressure on living standards, strained public finances and services, demographic ageing, and disagreements over immigration and integration on top of all that.
So no, France hasn't "fallen". But I also wouldn't tell you that everything is fine and that all the concerns you hear about are invented.
It's a wealthy, functioning country going through a fairly serious political, economic and social malaise. And depending on which media you follow, you can get an absurdly exaggerated picture in either direction.
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posted October 04, 2026 10:25 PM |
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Ah, that clarifies a lot, thanks, Galaad.
Here, political conflicting and mistrust have reached a maximum. Right now, we're waiting the results of the presidential elections, which has just ended, 17h. Generally, we get final results around 20h-21h.
Our problem here, besides all those you've mentioned (except for immigration, because it's not an issue here), a very similar distrust to the intitutions, and a feeling that someone else is behind the curtains (here, one could say it regards the 'extreme Center', neither right nor left) is glaring. But right now, the utmost catastrophe regards the Supreme Court: they have in practice invade and controlled the other two powers. The number of illegal decisions and machinations the last years, but notably the last days, is beyond words. We're actually specting a coup, if Flávio wins. Which is ironic, because they have arrested his father for the same (unproven, illegal arrest) reason the last elections. Not only him, but in Brazil, there are around 1200 people in jail due political issues, not mentioning the exiled. It hasn't happened like that since when Military ruled the country, decades ago.
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posted October 04, 2026 10:57 PM |
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Taxation in France goes way over the head, therefore people lose motivation for creating wealth or even marry and have kids. Part of the political spectrum even asks to seize all the wealth of billionaires, literally saying they should not exist.
As per se, immigration should never be a problem, if you select each individual as every country should. But the generous welfare system is a call for every poor people on the planet and naturally it drains the resources, which France doesn't have so it keeps borrowing. It never stopped and will never stop because it is ideological and became the ADN of French politics. Add to that that a big part of the migrants from the former colonies hate France and french as much as they can, so integration or even living aside is out of reach.
Whining about demographics falling and proposing to compensate with migrants while you allow 250 000 abortions every year is another ADN formed anomaly.
For me, personally, it has fallen and is over, without comeback possibility. The debt is too big (is not about how big is but at what extent the politics were so wrong to lead at) and the reforms required to pay it back will send the country in stone age for decades if not centuries.
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Galaad
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posted October 04, 2026 11:17 PM |
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Panda, thanks for the perspective on Brazil. I don't follow Brazilian politics closely enough to comment on it properly, but what you're describing sounds like a much more acute institutional crisis than the one I was referring to in France.
Salamandre, the "whining about demographics" part misrepresents what I wrote. I mentioned demographic decline as one of several pressures on France; I said nothing about replacing births with immigration, and nothing about abortion.
As for the debt, I agree that France has a serious fiscal problem. But "Stone Age for decades or centuries" is not a factual conclusion that follows from the debt figures. States do not need to repay their entire public debt to zero; the issue is whether the debt-to-GDP ratio and interest burden can be brought onto a sustainable trajectory.
That's all I was saying: France has serious problems, but "France is over" is a conclusion, not a statistic.
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posted October 04, 2026 11:29 PM |
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Right, you didn't write about compensating with migrants, thats why my post wasn't directed at you 
But at all those politics which keep hammering us about how without immigration the country would be over. I don't agree, cut taxes by half and people will be happy to do any job because the pay will be decent. They will produce more, they will spend more.
As about opinion vs statistics, is simple. If France can't borrow money, let's say, for one year, can it pay all the pensions, salaries, public services and assistance welfare ?
No.
Does it have a solution for fixing it ?
No.
I would say it is in pretty bad shape.
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posted October 04, 2026 11:33 PM |
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Simple really: the EU does not give a **** about its own people, which is utterly disgraceful. Natives? **** em. Recent immigrants? **** em. What matters most to the bureacracy is THE GREATER GOOD of the world. They do social engineering and global engineering at the expense of individual economies, which really means at the expense of middle and working class ordinary people. So yeah, Paris needs to get a little bit 1789ish... minus the violence and the stabbings and beheadings and such ofc. I am pretty sure it would hurt more to get your head chopped off with a scimitar than a guillotine, and France is more about scimitars these days now that it is an Islamic Republic.
And that is why the USA (including under Trump) > Europe. The USA cares about its own well-being, or at least more than the EU does.
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posted October 04, 2026 11:41 PM |
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Thanks for complementing.
I didn't actually delved much of the problems currently affecting us. When I said my country is about to collapse, it's not hyperbolical. It's just that there's so many things to point out, it would require me to write a lot of things. I might write them here after the results. I'm very anxious right now. 35% of urns computed so far. But some results abroad are disappointing. The city of Berlin, for example, 80% to Lula. If these people lived here, they would know better.
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Galaad
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posted October 04, 2026 11:45 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 23:50, 04 Oct 2026.
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Salamandre said:
Does it have a solution for fixing it ?
No.
The OECD's 2026 report explicitly lays out a path to stabilise the debt, mainly through sustained fiscal consolidation, more efficient public spending and structural reforms. It estimates an adjustment of around 3% of GDP by 2030.
So yes, serious problem. But not "no way out".
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posted October 04, 2026 11:54 PM |
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Galaad said:
The OECD's 2026 report explicitly lays out a path to stabilise the debt, mainly through sustained fiscal consolidation, more efficient public spending and structural reforms.
OECD Policy Recommendations for France in 2025 :
• Slash Public Outlays: Implement deep, structural reductions in public spending rather than relying solely on tax hikes.
• Tax Shift: Restructure heavy labor taxes toward less growth-distortive mechanisms like consumption or property taxes to boost corporate competitiveness.
Then :
France's public debt-to-GDP ratio raised from 115.6% in 2025 to a projected 119.3% by the end of 2026.
Look, you can keep talking, if there are no ears to hear, you waste your time.
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Galaad
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posted October 05, 2026 12:00 AM |
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You're actually proving my point.
The OECD projects debt rising under the current trajectory, which is precisely why it recommends further fiscal consolidation. Its 2026 report estimates that an adjustment of around 3% of GDP by 2030 could stabilise the debt ratio.
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posted October 05, 2026 12:11 AM |
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No, because you assume that the recommendations were followed by implemented decisions.
There was no "sustained fiscal consolidation" (what does ever means ?), they just raised taxes everywhere
There was no reduction in public spending, 2026 > 2025
There was no structural reform, name one if I'm wrong. There was one heavily required, the retirement reform, they let it go.
So France lost went from 115% to 119% just from inertia of bad decisions, without any attempt to correct the falling trajectory.
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posted October 05, 2026 12:12 AM |
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The frog is way too comfortable in the water.
Everybody (except China) is in an inflationary debt spiral in which the natural tendency is to keep adding because there is no reward for fixing it.
Trump is speed-running this, and Japan is finally exploding in slow motion after experts have been wondering why it hasn't happened for the past 30yrs. SAUDI ARABIA is BORROWING MONEY
Why do you think EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE is getting is increasing in price except what you earn.
The world (=most people), is royally screwed economically.
How is it French (~european) pensions are so generous? unsustainable.. new workers will not get it, and the prices have just started to increase
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Galaad
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posted October 05, 2026 12:20 AM |
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That's not what I assumed.
The OECD itself says France did make a significant fiscal adjustment in 2025, mostly through higher taxes, and that the 2026 budget also includes spending cuts.
You asked for one structural reform: France reformed its unemployment-benefit system in April 2025.
So "France hasn't done enough" is fair. "There was no consolidation, no reform and no solution" isn't what the OECD says.
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posted October 05, 2026 12:35 AM |
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The unemployment reform generates 1,5 billion euros yearly.
France needs between 30 and 60 billions yearly to stabilize its budget.
So yeah, we can say it didn't do enough. You are right, lol.
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posted October 05, 2026 12:44 AM |
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Clinton balanced the budget and couldn't get ONE bj in the OO without republicans riding him like they enjoyed it
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posted October 05, 2026 05:35 AM |
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Galaad said:
Panda, thanks for the perspective on Brazil. I don't follow Brazilian politics closely enough to comment on it properly, but what you're describing sounds like a much more acute institutional crisis than the one I was referring to in France.
So, votes have already been counted. We'll have a ... how do we spell it in English ... Second Turn? For presidentials. Flávio led with a small advantage, 2-3%. But polls were showing Lula with 5% in advantage, showing that there's something wrong in the process. But it's been a while that they always showing Lula ahead, and we know that's not the reality.
Now, I'm so disappointed with votes from Europe, in general. Some places are expected, but most of them are completely blafling as to how they voted on Lula. Most of these people living abroad doesn't live here because they fled the problems here, to try a better life, and yet they vote on the guy who's screwing up with the country, to beging with. Paris voted around 70% for Lula, for example. Berlin, 82%. Toquio 68% to Flávio, on the other hand. Los Angeles favored Flávio, which is surprising. I thought Los Angeles was a blue city.
Back to what's happening here. I'll try to be concise, Galaad and the less biased that I can. I'll tell about what's happening here in facts, no speculation.
Let me put in themes:
WORKER'S PARTY BACKGROUND
The Worker's Party (here it's known as PT) is leftist, leaning to extreme at some agenda, and a few leaning to a little more centrist. Its leader is Lula, who has compete in 7 presidential runs, and won in 3, although his puppet, Dilma Roussef, won in 2. The last 6 presidential runs, 5 were won by Lula, so we've been under this regime for 20 years, with a 4-year hiato with Bolsonaro, and 2 with Temer before him, when Dilma was impeached. Lula is one of the founders of an organization called Foro de São Paulo, also founded by people like Nicolás Marudo. Lula's position and PT's for that matter revolves on making people depend on the state. He is aligned with communism and socialism alike. Scandals around PT are constant, at least every single year, there's one or two great scandals under its belt.
LULA
A semi-analphabetic person, there are documentaries where he says he was lazy, didn't like to study, a complete vagrant. He is ever calling rich people out, as if they're enemies of the country, trying to raise taxes on them (even when Brazil is one of the most taxing countries on the globe: during this last term, he added almost THIRTY (30) new taxes for us!), and he blames Bolsonaro for every problem, even problems which his own government caused, and problems they've been carrying over for 20 years. He often attacks the Agriculture Sector (which is one of the pillars of this country), he supports groups of people who invade productive farms. He offers a lot of social assistance programs to people, and celebrates the more people need it, which is a bad thing, considering the more you depend on the state, the less freedom you have on your own life, and the less means you have to build and construct your future. He's also keeping people, specially from the Northeast region, as much ignorant as possible. I mean that Education there, Safety and governance in those states are the worst in the country. He keeps his main voting base uneducated, so people have no real critical thinking, and are easily subdued by cheap tricks to literally buy votes, which has been observed and proved. For example, when Bolsonaro tried to raise the assistencial help three months before 2022 elections, the Supreme Court veted it, because it could be seen as a maneuver to garner votes. Ok. Lula, at that time, condened that, said it was just to buy votes. This is documented, mind you, videos and all that. Now, 2 weeks before elections, Lula just did the same. With the Supreme Court in his pocket, they allowed. It was simply too bare to ignore. Buying votes for R$ 90,00 reach (R$6,00 +- Euro$1,00). These days, he even said this: "More instructed people don't vote on us." It says a lot of what he means and what his strategy is. Of course, many Federal Universities follow leftist agenda, worried about pronouns when Education is falling apart, when infrastructure is not being delivered, when economy is collapsing etc. It's not unlike some USAian universities these days. Lula's plan is for complete perpertual power in this country.
JAIR BOLSONARO (former president) AND THE SUPREME COURT
Back in 2018-2019, Lula had been condened for corruption in three different instances, lost all resources, and went to jail for almost 2 years. 2018, Jair Bolsonaro had been elected, because Lula was under this process already. Coincidentally, with Trump also in power, the Pandemic came to light. It was a complicated time, to say the least, but Brazil has endured considerably well, regardless deaths (from which a considerable % had been reviewd NOT to had been cause by Covid at all, but each Covid death registered, granted 18K grands to each State confederation, so, dying due Covid was profitable), and Bolsonaro even manage to have the country with GREEN accounts at the end of his term. So, why haven't he got reelected? Lula had been released, after maneuvers from the Supreme Court, nullifying this, nullifying that. In the end, their argument that he wasn't supposed to have been judged in Curitiba, but somewhere else, then nullified his sentence. Lula is not cleared of his crimes to this day. He just has not been sentenced back to the proper court. This is simple to understand. We have a criminal ruling our country for 20 years. When 2022 elections gave Lula the presidency, with very sketchy results, we have a very similar problem here than what happened in USA, the 6th janurary, attack at the Capitol. Here, even the date was similar, on 8th january. Many people had traveled to Brasília to manifest against the results, because, as I said, was very strange. On top of that, Supreme Electorade Court, refused to perform an audition (later on, some people got arrested and jailed because they questioned the security of our electoral system, being accused of a danger for our democracy: I do believe you've heard this argument somewhere else, right?). And, all things point to this, there was some staged things happening at that manifestation, to escalate into something more, giving the Supreme Court the exact excuse to blame Bolsonaro and accuse him of attempt of coup. Bolsonaro was in the USA during at that day even. Nobody was armed at those manifestations, either. No army had been involved. They simply had created a coup out of the blue to take Bolsonaro out of the equation. And they had managed to do that, but they didn't manage to erase his legacy. And people knew better. Then the mainstream media was also supporting the Supreme Court's lies. Bolsonaro is, until now, arrested and sentenced at home, but he cannot get out, he cannot talk to his own sons, he cannot use social media, he cannot have his own photos or images used by allies during their campaigns. They have tried to erase him from memory. This is where Alexandre de Moraes and the Supreme Court enter the stage.
ALEXANDRE DE MORAES AND THE SUPREME COURT
Alexandre de Moraes is a ministter of our Supreme Court, and one of the main responsibles for Bolsonaro's fate. Other ministers are also to blame, namely Gilmar Mendes, Dias Toffoli, Barroso, Fachin. These are seeds of Lula. These people had been named ministers by Lula or Dilma, after all. Bolsonaro had name 2, André Mendonça and Nunes Marques (both are the only things standing in their way, also the minister Fux). Lula's minister for Justice was Dino, his old friend from the 80s, and the 'first communist supreme judge', as Lula himself said in a speech. Because, guess what he's nominated him to the Supreme Court, his friend. Before that, when Dino was minister of Justice (which is a paramount irony), he simply refused to show the footage of the alleged 'coup'. There were, I think, 150 different cameras, which had documented the whole thing. He didn't want to show. In fact, the government was trying not to have an investigation committee opened to investigate that, when the Opposition tried very hard to. When he had accepted to allow the investigation, Dino revealed that after 6 months, all the footage was automatically erased. Coincidence, of course ... Then, the committee was formed and, SOMEHOW, Dino's friend, one woman federal deputy, was named as rappoteur, and she simply shielded Dino and archived, not leading to any results. And poeple who were there, including elderly, sick, people in very difficult situations which had not caused any trouble, who were not armed, more than 3 thousand people, got arrested, with no rights respected: their lawyers and attorneys were refused to be shown the legal documentation to make their defense against those accusations, Alexandre put them all in jail. Two people died in the jail already, since that date. Nowadays, I think 1,2K people are still in jail, not metioning Bolsonaro. One federal deputy was sentenced to 7 years in prison because he SUGGESTED there was potential fraud and insecurity regarding the electronic urns, because the current system make it almost impossible to audit. He was arrested and sent to jail for QUESTIONING. Now, tell me what sort of judicial system ARRESTS people for questioning something? In Venezuela, it was common. And we all know what Venezuela truly was. One woman has been sentenced to 17 years, because she's written (You've lost, fool!) with her lipstick on a granite statue. Man, this is so disturbing. Even revisiting this to write it down, make me sick. Alexandre de Moraes also simply spits on the Constitution whenever he wishes too. One of the cases that he judge, now, it'll sound like joke, but I swear it is not: one of the cases, HE IS THE VICTIM, HE IS THE JUDGE, AND HE IS THE ONE WHO OPENED THE INQUIRY. How messed up could that be? It's like you attack your neighbor, he says he'll sue you, then he's the attorney and the judge at the same time. It's ridiculous. And Alexandre is doing these things at regular basis. He's always emitting sub poenas and things like that for people (ALWAYS, 100% OF TIMES from the opposition) to explain their decisions in 24-48 hourse, why they have said elections were not safe, why they talked to Bolsonaro, etc, etc. The reasons are always things like that. He's a man that craves power and uses it beyond control. And I'm only talking about ONE MAN. The other Lula's court ministers are also having their particular shows here and there. At some point, after Trump won the elections, some sort of ... rebound started to happen. After reading reports of many abuses committed by Alexandre de Moraes, mostly related by exiled people, former judges, former right-winged house deputies, former right-winged journalists, Trump has enact the Magnitsky Law against Alexandre de Moraes. You this Law is ever enacted over people who's abusing human right's and found corrupt. Alexandre de Moraes, a minister of the Supreme Court, and his wife, were the first and only Brazilians ever being sentenced under the Magnitsky Law.
TRUMP AND BRAZIL
As Trump advanced his plans to take down narcotraphic organizations, which he has labelled as terrorist organizations lately, Lula started to react, because his pal Maduro had suddenly been in Trump's radar. Maduro taunted Trump for many months, because, if it's news for you all, Maduro has NOT won the elections, elections which he had accorded with Biden in exchange for oil business. Maduro was supposed to accept the results. He didn't. He tried to arrest his opponents there (Alexandre de Moraes probably taking notes), and so, Trump didn't recognized Maduro as legitimate president. Lula, on the other hand, took a while to manifest about the results. He knew it was a ticking bomb. People here know what's happening in Venezuela. There are many Venezuelans here. Under Maduro regime, almost 8 million people fled the country, almost a third of the population. Then, we saw what happened. In less than 30 minutes, Maduro was captured. Lula was livid, of course. Maduro can spill the bins about the Foro de São Paulo projects for left-wing perpertuality of power in South America. Which is why the lef-side was worried with Milei, and a few other countries here which have been leaning to the right. Trump has also classified the two larger crimincal syndicates in this country as terrorist narcorganizations, PCC and Comando Vermelho. PCC and CV are present in 30 countries. Lula has never fought them properly, and they grew a lot during his terms. There's even a few recordings of some of PCC leaders saying that they had very productive conversations with PT. Well, that's telling. Lula has vehemently refused to classify PCC and CV as terrorist organizations. Really, if he wished to protect his country from such crimincal syndicates, he wouldn't refuse. Besides, in the last weeks, he's also declined Brazil's part and role in the Shield of Americas. A completely cowardly decision, not to mention, sketchy. He's often blaming Bolsonaro for Trump's decisions, that Trump will send troops to our country, warmongering, trying to convince people of Trump's interference in our elections, building narratives as they usually do. Always speaking of democracy, while his pet ministers are silencing his oppositors, journalists and whatnot. The hypocrisy is so blatantly visible, it's impossible not questiong people's moral and character, when they still support this regime.
STATISTICS AND THE MASTER CASE
Brazil is, and it could be even more, rich. Talking about resources and potential growth. But we have a lot of corruption. As I said, education here is limited, and the government has enacted some laws that prevent parents from tutoring their own kids, or having any sort of control or tool regarind what schools teach them. There's often 'woke-aligned' agenda being taught at schools, and when students confront their teachers, they're suspended or punished in some way. States where the right-wing governs, Education is evolving rapidly. Where the left-wing governs, it's either stagnated or deprecated. Statistics regarding public Safety is the same. I live in the most secure of all 27 confederations. PT has never governed this state. Education here is top notch. Everything PT has no capacity of providing, again, because they need people to remain uneducated, to remain dependable. The president detests this state. No wonder he's booed everytime he decides to taint our lands. Inflation is rising fast, things are expensive, salaries are not following. Interest as well, because Lula's government spends too much, and spends badly (even when not counting corruption and stolen money). To cover that, they create new taxes, returning taxes Bolsonaro had extingued back then, created almost 10 new Ministeries, and simply distributed promissed ranks and chairs everywhere. He's basically a spider sewing his web and cacthing everyone in it to have leverage in future. Of course, he doesn't do that all alone. This is when the Bank Master Case has come to light, in the last months. Vorcaro is the bank's owner, and he's been trafficking influence EVERYWHERE around here. Most of Lula's ministers from the Supreme Court have been dealing with the banker, as well as those from Federal Police director board, and the Attorney general. Every one of the leaders in charge of institutions in Brazil has been nominated by Lula, and almost 100% of them are involved with the banker, exchanging favors, trafficking influece, as I said. Vorcaro is currently in jail, not really sentenced yet. We're waiting for his plea bargain, and the reveal of names officially, because there are plenty of proofs collected from his hardware showing Alexandre de Moraes, Barroso, Dias Toffoli, Lula's son, and many other influential judges, politicians (some of the right-wing), lobbyists and whatnot. Of course, such actions already warranted impeachment. So, why hasn't it happened yet? The Senate. The president of the Senate, Alcolumbre, is responsible to setting the agenda for that, but the man is also in Vorcaro's pocket. He's withholding Impeachment processes for a while now, but there are dozens of these things waiting in line for each of the Supreme Court ministers, being led in numbers against Alexandre de Morais and Dino. So, things don't move forward because there are bottlenecks and the wrong people had been strategically positioned there. What they had not counted is that the Opposition has been becoming stronger as months pass. Their plans to destroy what they call "Bolsonarism", have fallen. Proofs that these Supreme Court ministers have gone completely political are documented everywhere. But a few quotes explain it all: "We've defeated the Bolsonarism" – Barroso; "Mission given, mission accomplished." – an allied of Alexandre de Moraes commenting to him; "Lula is only president today because the Supreme Court." – Gilmar Mendes. The Bank Master Case is probably one of the greatest corruption schemes in our history, and it comes just months after another scandal, the INSS scandal. INSS is the funds for the elderly people and retirees. It's been investigated and identified that they were being robbed, small or large amounts of money simply vanishing or having unknown charges regularly. Stealing from the elderly. There's a R$80 BILLION hole in there. Nobody has been arrested yet, again, because the government and the Supreme Court and that awful Senate guy are blocking any advance. Regarding an overall view, we're beating record after record of bad things: Record Taxes, Record Debts, Record Bank Interests, Record prices, Record levels of women murders, Record levels of violence againt women, Record levels of crimes, there is, literally, not good statistic here nowadays.
THE DIPLOMATIC DWARF
That's how Lula is called around here. He has lost his relevance when it comes to External Relations, because he simply talks too much garbage all the time, aligned with old, failed policies, siding with dictatorships and terrorists. He's always complaining about Trump, blaming him for his own failures, trying to make Brazilians turn against him, when we know how our problems have been triggered, to begin with. He is unable to work something for the country, except doing accords with socialist countries and China. He says USA wants to control us, but he gives all control and resources to China instead.
WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY
Brazilians are tired and fed up. Overwhelming number of lies, of lack of accountability, of scandals, corruption, illegal actions from the Supreme Court, my country won't survive four more years of Lula. Which is why Fábio's victory is paramount for us. Fábio is the son of the former president Bolsonaro, and he's a bit more ... reasonable than his father. He's also quite competent. His campaign was very successful, and the team he is assemblying to fix this country, has very known and respected names, and proper expertise in their proper areas. Lula's team is a bunch of old friends, people owning favors, people who has no idea of what they're doing. Tonight, we had the elections and the right-wing had an awesome result. Many old names aligned to Lula have fallen, leechers, parasites, literaly. But, as I said, Northeast region is still leashed strongly by PT's grip, and despite the region being the poorest in the country, it has a fair population. The states that hold the economy in place are located in the Southwest (where you have São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Espírito Santo, and the largest metropolitan areas and the most chunk of population) and South (Santa Catarina, Paraná and Rio Grande do Sul, the three more European-like states, with the best quality-of-life places, with high IDs, safety and education policies, and very productive hardworking people, people who are not accommodated by the crumbs offered by the government). From 100% of all taxes my state sends to the Federal government, only 16% or so, returns. Meanwhile, in the Northeast, they get 120%, even 270% back to then. So you see, those who produce are penalized. Same when talking about civilian rights, sometimes people need to explain why they have reacted against a burglar, instead of being defended because they'd been assaulted. Criminals having their rights above good citizens. It's infuriating. During the elections, friends of Alexandre de Moraes tried to interfere in the elections of the neighboring state of Paraná, trying to block both the Governor candidate and one of the Senators candidate. And guess what, these two names were the ones responsible to have created the Operation Car Wash, the operation that had put Lula in jail. The supreme court was directly trying to interfere on their campaigns, even this very morning, the Senator candidate Deltan Dallagnol, managed to have his canditacy cleared. He's not been allowed to make campaign for a whole week. He couldn't ask for votes, show his number, nothing. This is something that has never happened in Brazil. A candidate that couldn't make campaign. All through the Supreme Court schemes. The lat straw was this Friday, when a left-winged judge, friend of Lula, interefered on the TV debate that was going to happen at night. Lula had given up going there. But the rules all candidates have agreed upon stated that if one of them didn't go, their pulpit would remain on stage and they could be addressed questions, even if they were not there to answer. What happened then. The judge said that this rule was no valid anymore. They wouldn't be able to show the empty pulpit or ask questions. A maneuver to protect Lula, because he would be SHREDDED there. Too many glaring things to lie about, it wouldn't be possible. It would've probably made him lose today's elections. Reading what's going to happen, Fábio also decided not to go. And the mainstream media, called Globo, decided to cancel the debate. It was the first time in history that a debate 2 days before elections, have been cancelled. The good thing is, that Globo has been supporting Lula and covering all their illegal actions and supporting their narrative for four years. Now, they felt betrayed. They released an article calling out, intereference from the Supreme Court, Censorship, danger for democracy, the very same thing they were accusing us all back then, not being used against them. It has, as we have learned today, backfired.
Now, we have until October 25h to remain strong, garner as many voters to our side and end this government and Lula's regime once and for all.
Sorry for the length and probably many typos and probably confusion in the way I have tried to express myself. I have not reviewed everything, and sometimes I write in the same order I'm thinking. This is marginally a resume. There are plenty of things missing still, or some which might have deserved more input, but I didn't want to go too deep into them. I get aggravated.
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 05, 2026 10:23 AM |
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Panda, thanks for taking the time to explain the Brazilian perspective.
Salamandre, I actually agree that the picture isn't encouraging. I think the more interesting question now is political rather than technical. France has measures available, but getting successive governments and parliamentary majorities to agree on who bears the cost, and then stick to that course, is another matter entirely.
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted October 05, 2026 01:02 PM |
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When claiming France has fallen, what do people exactly mean? Sal? What do you mean for instance? That the state of France will cease to exist and the land will belong to another country? Not likely. That it will be Mad Max level civilizational collapse, not in the forseeable future. So what? Things will somehow keep on.
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Panda_Tar
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CH mascot and right-wing
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posted October 08, 2026 03:27 AM |
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And all these riots, they say it started with students and teachers demanding for better conditions, and have escalated to something else. What is this something else as for now, from an in loco PoV?
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