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splexx
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posted September 12, 2002 06:00 AM

To All Americans!!

Much sympathies on the anniversary of this HORRIBLE day!!

From all of us in Canada..


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jb239
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posted September 12, 2002 08:56 AM

posted September 12, 2002 12:00 AM

heh, nice timing...well it shows we got through the day without another tragedy hitting.

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Romana
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Thx :D
posted September 12, 2002 12:00 PM

*I think he just forgot to set the dates you see my post says 13 but actually it's 12 bla bla bla..*


I too sympathize..I think you guys are very brave for remembering this awfull event the way you did (you is all Americans)

I watched it on the TV and was speechless..heartbreaking  
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john_travolta
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posted September 12, 2002 12:41 PM - penalty applied.

My Opinion!!!!

I just wanted to put some words in this thread!

First of All, Course i sorrow this thing that happened the 11 september. But i wont sorrow as much as u will do.

Second of All, Do The American sorrow the things that happens around the world? let me put some words.

Did the U.S Nations Sorrow the 30 thousands of Turkish that died in the earthquake in Turkey last year whatever?

Did the U.S Nation SORROW MY PEOPLE? 100 000 PPL died by Saddam Hussein by a Smoke Bomb whatever, dun remember what kind of bomb, but doesnt matter, they died anyway!!. U call that sorrow?

Did the U.S Nation Sorrow the people who die everyday by the war in the middle east?

So give me a reason why i should sorrow thoose victims in WTC accident WHEN Americans dont sorrow US???? snowing Double Moral, snowing Americans, thinks that they have the respect in the world, that everyone should sorrow them, for what?.. this little thing Compare to the other dramatic accidents around us ?..  Man go to hell, make the whole world sorrow for this thing, go to hell. U should show some respect and sorrow us before sorrowing you!!

Course i think that it was terrible that thoose died, but unfortunalety i wont sorrow!!

// Travolta
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privatehudson
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posted September 12, 2002 01:06 PM

OK some points to raise:

1) Stop generalising, many americans DO care about these events.
2) Not really a good time to bring this up is it?

Just because there is no official mourning by a nation does not mean that it's people do not care. America as a country may well have ignored acts of agression in the past, no one I think would try to deny that, so have many other countries. Hopefully now though they will realise what it truly means to be the target of agression and begin to take a more moral standing on issues around the world.

And personally I don't care if not one single american I know felt remorse for the thousands killed and injured in say the violence in Ireland. I can still feel for the people involved in this tragedy just as much as if it happened in london or manchester. Attacks on innocents should be something we all deplore, no matter what nationality we are nor what country those innocents belong to.

Sorrow and heartfelt pain for people is not something you should feel obliged to give and not something you should demand from them first. You are either horrified at all attacks and mourn for those affected or you don't. Nationality and what they have done for you is completely irrelevant. I can still feel remorse at my country dropping high explosive bombs on ruined cities at the end of WWII, killing thousands of innocents, it's irrelevant to me that the germans did the same to london or where I live.
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Romana
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Thx :D
posted September 12, 2002 01:41 PM

Dear Travolta..I don't think this is a time for blame..
Of course it's also sad all those other people died. No-one will deny that but that just what the world has come to and I think it is not only the 9/11 thing people stand still to remember..It is all those things.

So give yourself a moment to remember and try and learn from the mistakes..Hate will get you no-where

As you all say..just my 2 cents

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posted September 12, 2002 02:45 PM
Edited By: bort on 12 Sep 2002

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Second of All, Do The American sorrow the things that happens around the world? let me put some words.

Did the U.S Nations Sorrow the 30 thousands of Turkish that died in the earthquake in Turkey last year whatever?

Did the U.S Nation SORROW MY PEOPLE? 100 000 PPL died by Saddam Hussein by a Smoke Bomb whatever, dun remember what kind of bomb, but doesnt matter, they died anyway!!. U call that sorrow?

Did the U.S Nation Sorrow the people who die everyday by the war in the middle east?



Excellent point.  Unlike you, Americans only care about their own problems.  I see that you have a broad persepective, as the way you "sorrow" for Turkey, Northern Iraq and, really casting your sorrow net wide, the middle east shows.

Oh wait, you didn't mention the people caught up in Sri Lanka's civil war/rebellion (the terminology depends on which side you're on) oh... you also didn't mention the situation in Kashmir.  I'm going to assume you don't "sorrow" for any of those people.  You didn't even bring up Afghanistan.  I'll guess you don't have any "sorrow" for those people.  How about the AIDS crisis in Africa?  Any "sorrow."  What about Haiti?  Come on, just a little "sorrow?"  No.  Oh.  Okay then.  
It always amazes me how many times somebody starts criticizing the US and proceeds to complain that the US viewpoint is one sided and that the US only cares about itself.  They then proceed to talk about only their viewpoint and discuss only their problems.

Mr. Travolta (hmm... naming yourself after an American movie star... interesting.) you don't have to feel bad about 9/11, that's completely and utterly ok.  Hell, you can even feel good about it if you want, that's your right.  But don't come in and try to claim that you're somehow superior and more worldly than everybody who, in my case, for instance, looks out the window and sees a gaping hole where the twin towers used to be and are therefore somewhat upset about the incident when you're just as self absorbed as the rest of us.

PS - You're probably referring to Saddam's use of sarin gas against the Kurds.  He has also used mustard gas on the Kurds of Northern Iraq as well as, possibly VX (another nerve agent.)  Jeez, at least learn the details yourself before complaining that everybody else doesn't know about it.  Unless you refer to his use of mustard gas on Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war.  Although you probably don't have any "sorrow" for them.  

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splexx
splexx


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posted September 12, 2002 04:04 PM

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heh, nice timing...well it shows we got through the day without another tragedy hitting.


Yes JB, I did post at midnight.
After watching the 9/11 documentary from the firefighters perspective, then sitting in stunned silence for an hour.

I actually shed a few tears also, but us Canadians are a caring people.  If not we would have also closed our airspace that fateful day and left the approx. 18,000 yanks in the air stranded.(which the US gov't did to its own people..btw)

But your little comment just seems to prove that the world's opinion of the US is mostly true, i guess

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Lews_Therin
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posted September 12, 2002 04:26 PM

Hard to make a critical post about this subject without being called anti-American these days, which I am not.

But ... if you add up all these terrible examples that were mentioned, huge numbers of humans who die from violence, hunger, Aids and natural disasters every day, do you know what strikes me? In (german) television, all of them together do not even make 1% of what´s being reported about 9/11. Bort, of course this furthers ignorance and a blurred perspective.

Countless times I have zapped into American widows who have lost their husbands on this day. I wonder if there were still so many Americans supporting military interventions, if the medias would in the same way stimulate people´s empathy for civilists who "accidentally" lose their home, their families, everything, during bomb attacks.
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Destro23
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posted September 12, 2002 04:31 PM

Yup I gotta agree here..

I am also a Canadian as most of you know..

and I watched a few documentaries last night on my american satelite dish.. shhhhhh DON'T TELL MY GOVERNMENT! They will take it away.

Anyway most major tragedies such as this don't really give me much emotion or any real feeling except.. "hmm oh well" Who knows why really..

But during some of these documentaries when they move to personal perspectives. ie firemans wife, or Tower Executive's wife.. or any widowed or left parentless in the event.. this is when I begin to feel sad about it.

I know all to well the feelings surronding losing a close loved one suddenly.. and when brought to a personal level yep its tragic.

As to travoltas comments..

I am not so sure that no one cares about these issues.. but most of the countries both you and bort discuss really just don't have the money, band width, or international presence to make a voice heard for a tragedy.. shame as it may be.. its the truth.

And also I think there is a HUGE and major difference between an earthquake, which is of course is a natural disaster.. and a mad man flying a plane into a office tower.. I mean come on.  Sure its sad.. but its very different, leaving the same result none the less.

Anyway know that I sat here for more than enough time trying to decide if I have more to say, I don't so Cheers..

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hamsi128
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posted September 12, 2002 04:56 PM

i share your pain

Being a turkish who lived the horrible earthquake i must add my opinions.... first of all before the stupid turkish politicians it was Bill Clinton who came to earthquake areas first to share the people pain and in the eyes of turks he earned respect. Also the people who are damaged are supported from the whole world .
and comparing a nature wrath and a terror act made by a sadist terorist are differents subjects . it is demogogie and a cheap anti-americain propaganda... im also dont support many things of ''mighty usa'' empire but it is only in idea opinion format not in rage like travolta.
Turkey lose more then 30.000 to the terror during 10 years and i share the pain of the victims in newyork.. i think all of us missed the train and i hope our childrens could live in a better world in this century.
kind regards,

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Aculias
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posted September 13, 2002 12:22 AM

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Quote:

Second of All, Do The American sorrow the things that happens around the world? let me put some words.

Did the U.S Nations Sorrow the 30 thousands of Turkish that died in the earthquake in Turkey last year whatever?

Did the U.S Nation SORROW MY PEOPLE? 100 000 PPL died by Saddam Hussein by a Smoke Bomb whatever, dun remember what kind of bomb, but doesnt matter, they died anyway!!. U call that sorrow?

Did the U.S Nation Sorrow the people who die everyday by the war in the middle east?



Excellent point.  Unlike you, Americans only care about their own problems.  I see that you have a broad persepective, as the way you "sorrow" for Turkey, Northern Iraq and, really casting your sorrow net wide, the middle east shows.

Oh wait, you didn't mention the people caught up in Sri Lanka's civil war/rebellion (the terminology depends on which side you're on) oh... you also didn't mention the situation in Kashmir.  I'm going to assume you don't "sorrow" for any of those people.  You didn't even bring up Afghanistan.  I'll guess you don't have any "sorrow" for those people.  How about the AIDS crisis in Africa?  Any "sorrow."  What about Haiti?  Come on, just a little "sorrow?"  No.  Oh.  Okay then.  
It always amazes me how many times somebody starts criticizing the US and proceeds to complain that the US viewpoint is one sided and that the US only cares about itself.  They then proceed to talk about only their viewpoint and discuss only their problems.

Mr. Travolta (hmm... naming yourself after an American movie star... interesting.) you don't have to feel bad about 9/11, that's completely and utterly ok.  Hell, you can even feel good about it if you want, that's your right.  But don't come in and try to claim that you're somehow superior and more worldly than everybody who, in my case, for instance, looks out the window and sees a gaping hole where the twin towers used to be and are therefore somewhat upset about the incident when you're just as self absorbed as the rest of us.

PS - You're probably referring to Saddam's use of sarin gas against the Kurds.  He has also used mustard gas on the Kurds of Northern Iraq as well as, possibly VX (another nerve agent.)  Jeez, at least learn the details yourself before complaining that everybody else doesn't know about it.  Unless you refer to his use of mustard gas on Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war.  Although you probably don't have any "sorrow" for them.  


IDIOT you think all americans think of ourselves like most of us support what our president & Government does your insane.
What would you do if your family was on one of those planes you wouldnt be saying thy same thang.
Might as well praise Bin Laden thinking he did a good deed in this so called holy war we had last yr.
Typical reply & having sorrow for INOCENTS that died up there I mean families lost housing money & children orphaned & thousands torn apart.
Dont blame Americans but blame those who run it.
Like we have a say so if we spoke freely well end up like Martin Luthor King Jr. Malcolm X & alot of others we can say profits or whatever.
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Khayman
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posted September 13, 2002 01:34 AM

Any loss of life is tragic, whether it be one or one hundred thousand.  Sympathy is always a welcomed gesture in these horrible situations.

A few points to ponder:

Somebody has to feed, clothe, and shelter the rest of the world, not to mention babysit the Third World countries.  Try to find another country that gives more foreign aid than the United States.  

Also, when you wonder why the United States gets involved in other counties affairs, just imagine what the world would be like now if the United States decided not to enter into World War II...every country in Europe, Asia, and Africa would be pledging allegiance to the Nazi flag.

Thanks for listening and happy gaming to all.

Peace out!
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privatehudson
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posted September 13, 2002 01:42 AM

I won't rant on that speaking german and kissing nazi flags bit because it will spoil the mood.........

Just to say I think that we have answered that guy now and we should get on with commemorating the dead of ALL acts of terror.
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posted September 13, 2002 02:27 AM

If the US has not entered WWII Hitler would have been defeated by the Soviets.
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posted September 13, 2002 03:19 AM

The point of this thread i believe was to express sympathy for all those affected by a horrible day...

Its true terrible things happen every day, and we shouldn't ignore them but this thread was just to express empathy for what happened last year on 9/11 - not a statement that no other tragedies have ever occurred.




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Darion
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posted September 13, 2002 04:44 AM

Yes. Although, to me, I think 9-11 was kind of a wake up call for some of us- SOME OF US, not all- that terrible people are out there. We are not invincible. However, I am just overwhelmed by the love and emotions people have shown in the past couple of days. Art, poems, testimonials, long-distance dedications, discussions, speeches... all have touched me deeply.
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posted September 13, 2002 05:10 AM

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Also, when you wonder why the United States gets involved in other counties affairs, just imagine what the world would be like now if the United States decided not to enter into World War II...every country in Europe, Asia, and Africa would be pledging allegiance to the Nazi flag.




Seems that u didn't study history at school.
USA didn't make any significat contribute in the SU victory in WW2.
And of course it is foppish to think that USA saved the world from nazi conquest.
Soviet Union did that (and lost 27 000 000 ppl in that war).

In 1944 when America opened the second battle-front the defeat of nazis was just the question of time.

Yo foppishness is impressive).
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posted September 13, 2002 05:28 AM

I personally want to thank all of you from other countries for your care, concern, prayers and support.  It has meant so much!  

I know for myself the horrible event did awaken me to be more sympathetic to other nations troubles...it is far to easy and I guess somewhat natural to only see the immediate life you are leading.  I hope to never be unaffected to another human's suffering.

It is sad when people use this time of sorrow to start bashing or comparing this tragedy to that tragedy.  

God bless

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mklthrkngl
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posted September 13, 2002 06:38 AM

incorrect i'm afraid

Quote:
If the US has not entered WWII Hitler would have been defeated by the Soviets.


The soviets were able to have so much success only because they didn't have to split there resources between the nazi's and the japanese. once the americans took the full attention of the japenes away from the asian continent the russians were able to focus there full attention on the nazis.Not to take anything away from the herculean efforts they put forth to help defeat the nazis, it's just that in the end it was a team effort. an effort that would have failed if any on the team hadn't showed up. For instance, if the english had caved in the battle of brittain the americans would have had a very hard time getting anybody across the atlantic to help out in europe esp. as the nazis would have been using without a doubt british naval power.there also would have been no comfortable base to launch an invasion of europe from.Never mind the amount of manpower and airpower they wated against the british that could have been used against the soviets.

p.s. i luvs history !!!
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