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bjorn190
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posted December 06, 2002 01:28 AM |
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The 2 great questions for Toh3
There are 2 political questions in toh at this time as I see it.
1. Ratio randoms - fixed in tourneys and other official happenings.
2. Cheating
As I see it, concerning 1, fixed has a slight advantage over randoms in tourneys. However, in the real world (the zone) randoms have an advantage. It seems the power (konservatives) want fixed maps ro rule, and the people (the left wing) want randoms to rule.
I myself want a 50-50 ratio between all types of fixed maps and all types of random templates. And that ratio is kind of important I think.
2. Cheating.
The official standpoint seems to be that cheating is wrong, and anything about cheating should be avoided and hushed down, and dealt with if there is very very strong proof. But most of all, not talked about.
The people on the other hand, seem to want a thoural examination of possible cheaters. The options available to them is to send in saves to the HC if they suspect their opp has cheated and then hope that someone takes care of it in the right manner.
The public has no insight into the cheating status, and attemts at achieving that, or talking about cheating, seem to be quieted down with mod force, so it has taken other roads other than this forum. Sort of a "La resistance"!
My standpoint on this matter is that its OK to talk about cheating.
So to sum it up:
1. fixed-random ratio (I say 50%-50%)
2. Cheating (I say its ok to talk about it)
NOTE: That Im not for mentioning names or specific cases (If I hadnt said that it would have been used as an argument against the open policy of talking about cheating).
I just think u should be able to talk about cheating, and problems in general if they exist.
It is likely that problems only become worse if you do not talk about them.
gl and hf
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Motorschaaf
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posted December 06, 2002 12:40 PM |
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There are 2 political questions in toh at this time as I see it.
1. Ratio randoms - fixed in tourneys and other official happenings.
2. Cheating
i wouldnt call it political but let me give a few comments 
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As I see it, concerning 1, fixed has a slight advantage over randoms in tourneys. However, in the real world (the zone) randoms have an advantage. It seems the power (konservatives) want fixed maps ro rule, and the people (the left wing) want randoms to rule.
i absolutely agree. we the coordinators are evil guys(and girls) whos only aim is it to destroy the presence of random maps  . but to be true i dont see where ur exact problem is. for free challenge TOH games u can play whatever u like random, fixed, even jinxermaps
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I myself want a 50-50 ratio between all types of fixed maps and all types of random templates. And that ratio is kind of important I think.
well when u look at the mapmaster subtourney i picked 2 templates and 2 fixed maps to give random and fixed players the possibility to join. me - and u all know i dun really "like" randoms" - signed up for that tourney with the hope that some other randomer would sign up for the fixed maps . yeah even if they might lose first round cause they didnt have 30329418 hours to practice it. too bad noone of em did this.
as for the 2on2 mapmasters - everyone had the chance to vote in the poll and if there would have been the most vptes for a 2on2 random mapmasters we would have chosen this. that was not the case so criss cross won. and we decided to start the 2on2 mapmaster tourneys one after another and not 2 or more at the same time. simply because 2on2s gamnes are herder to get played and mak an appointment for 4 guys. maybe the next will be a random 2on2 mapmaster but that has to be decided by the next poll onece the crisscrossone is over.
same for nations - if u wanna play randoms for nations- man then play em. u can play as much randoms for em as u like. for free challenge or war. and yeah the suprise wars are mostly fixed maps but tell me where is the suprise for a random map player if he has to play a random map... the intetntion of suprise wars was not to give players the possibility to play the maps they usually play. NO ! the intention is to give em a suprise and in the 65 suprise war possibilities are about 40 maps i bet you never heared of or u would have never thought of playing em. and this goes for most players i think and there lies the suprise. also there are some strange and uncommon settings in the suprise war list. so if u are no chicken u try ur luck and pick a number
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The people on the other hand, seem to want a thoural examination of possible cheaters. The options available to them is to send in saves to the HC if they suspect their opp has cheated and then hope that someone takes care of it in the right manner.
The public has no insight into the cheating status, and attemts at achieving that, or talking about cheating, seem to be quieted down with mod force, so it has taken other roads other than this forum. Sort of a "La resistance"!
and thats good that way ! there shouldnt be any rumors or talk about somone cheating before its not prooven ! immaine where TOH ends if every case would be discussed here and the public decides who gets to ho and who not. that would automaticakly mean that unpopular players land in hos and players with a lot of friends could do anything in a game without beeing scared of getting caught cause the "board is gonna defend em". to decide if someone is guilty or not the decision of some neutral guys is needed and not the decision of the public
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My standpoint on this matter is that its OK to talk about cheating.
sure its ok to talk about cheating but it depents what exactly you mean about cheating talk. i think itsbullsnow to come here for example and say " XYZ cheated me" or "cheating rocks you have to do this and that to get an unfair advantage". such discussions should be deleted or we could even remove the honor council and allow cheating in toh dont ya think ?
what i kinda appreciate foir "cheating talk" is general discussions like "how to prevent cheating or catch cheaters" where tips are given like "saving every day" or "thruid party host" . just an example.
Motorschaaf
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bjorn190
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posted December 06, 2002 01:20 PM |
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WOW motor! I actually agree with 95% of what u say here, lol
As for the talk about cheating, what I think is ok is to talk about it in general, but not name names or games.
Also the part that I disagree with is this (itīs darn funny tho  )
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as for the 2on2 mapmasters - everyone had the chance to vote in the poll and if there would have been the most vptes for a 2on2 random mapmasters we would have chosen this. that was not the case so criss cross won.
LOL that poll had 5 fixed maps in it There wasnīt even an option to vote for random there. BUT I think 2vs2 mapmasters is great with a fixed map. Allied games are actually more strategical on fixed maps I think, although random maps are more fun.
Darn it motor.. Jebus love shine upon u!!
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Motorschaaf
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posted December 06, 2002 01:42 PM |
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WOW motor! I actually agree with 95% of what u say here, lol
yep xmas is definalty getting closer
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As for the talk about cheating, what I think is ok is to talk about it in general, but not name names or games.
yep it is ok - but usually such "general discussions" just pretend to be general and they often just discusss about one special case. 
about that 2on2 thing let me quote ravyn o the 2on2 mapmaster poll
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Or, if your true favorite is missing, please list it in your post!
u see ? if 10 people had written in there post " i want a 2on2 random mapmasters" we would have made the 2on2 mapmasters a random one but truth is . u were the only one who voted for random 2on2s in his post.
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Darn it motor.. Jebus love shine upon u!!
*opens his umbrella*
Rainschaaf
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midnight
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posted December 06, 2002 03:11 PM |
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2v2 has certainly been the domain of fixed maps, no argument from me there (has to be a first ). To do it for randoms, need templates specifically designed to keep players away from each other for a while. A criss-cross style template would be pretty easy to make i think. Current 3do templates r not up to the task unfortunately.
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bjorn190
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posted December 06, 2002 03:17 PM |
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Templates are easy to make if u master the random..
just piece it together and let the generator work it..
Could make a crisscross temp in like.. 20 minutes
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