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Thread: Redefine the instrucions manual (Homm4)
Celfious
Celfious


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posted February 10, 2003 03:19 PM
Edited By: Celfious on 10 Feb 2003

Redefine the instrucions manual (Homm4)

Hi, I lost my manual. I have a few questions, and a proposition to a mod here..

Please give the most understood variation of the following awnsers, a QP.
Please flood QPs into this thread, for the best, and quality input.
I'll actually be using the information put out, so if I could help you judge, it would be applicable.
It is so that they are motivated to redefine for me, but primarily, I need this compialation.
There will be a few out of book questions too, and their skill would be tested aswell.
Things I need to know

*When heroes change class- What are prequisits, and bonuses?

*What are the differences between towns?
enter in growth tree,
resource cost
ect

*What is unique about each creature..
(Example)
Crusader.
Skills-2 attacks, and death ward (mabey define each creature skill here, or in another portion of the post)
Damage-10-16
Mele attack-22
Melee defence-23
Speed-7
HP-65
Ranged attack- NA
Ranged defense-23
Movement-(0) 24
Growth
It is up to you to make the most understandable/compacted format of this, and is time consuming. If you cant enter this part, dont.. Just worry about the others.

* Each hero skill.
Define, and elaborate statistics.
Example..
GM tactis- +5/+3 speed/movement
GM Offence- 50% offence
Advanced natures preq-had Basic herbalism in it..

*Spells.

Out of book questions (i think)

* Is there more penalty with quick combat, other than risking it?
*Movement land modifications.
*When right clicking places a hero has visited, dose the message "youve visited this already" apply to every hero in that particular army??
*If you achive a new skill, and try to revisit a place to *upgrade* that skill, is the code set, that the hero already viseted it? Even though the hero didn't benifit from it
*With new classes, which are the ones that can still be obtained??
My crusader (tactics, and life magic) just upgraded combat! I had the message which let me know I was now a paladin. But the stat sheet, says I'm a crusader.

*How is the ranking level defined?
How many points are given to which aspect?
Basicly.. You get points at the end of senarios. How much time taken, best hero, # of artifacts, army strength, resources, ect..
How do those determine points?

*How are the amount of exp pts given, determined?

*

ect.. think, be creative, and please indulge me, and your fellows who are interested.


I know this seems difficult, but I want to have required information, to disect this game.


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splat
splat


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posted February 10, 2003 05:13 PM

*When heroes change class- What are prequisits, and bonuses?

kynosarges.de/Heroes/H4Classes.pdf

Most advanced classes are based on two skill groups.
The Witch King is based on three, and archmage on all five magic skill groups.
If you have many skills in the groups of a certain advanced class, you will become that advanced class. You don't need all five magics to become archmage, three well developed schools is enough. But all five schools can help.

And when? For each adv.class the weight is determined: the number of skills you have that apply to that adv.class, minus 1. For archmage, it is minus 3. If the weight of your current class is outweighed by another, you will change.
If it's equal, you will stay what you are now.

* Is there more penalty with quick combat, other than risking it?

AI will play for you, and AI is bad!! He will waste many of your troops! I hardly ever do it.

*When right clicking places a hero has visited, dose the message "youve visited this already" apply to every hero in that particular army??

I think it does.

*If you achive a new skill, and try to revisit a place to *upgrade* that skill, is the code set, that the hero already viseted it? Even though the hero didn't benifit from it

You can revisit a place and it will still work. Each hero can use each place once.

*With new classes, which are the ones that can still be obtained??
My crusader (tactics, and life magic) just upgraded combat! I had the message which let me know I was now a paladin. But the stat sheet, says I'm a crusader.

Combat is a skill group also, and combat + life magic = paladdin. As soon as you have more combat than tactics, you will change class.


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Celfious
Celfious


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posted February 10, 2003 05:21 PM

Well, your most helpful input was with character classes =)
Very good, however it brings another question I will have to know in the future.

Saw, I'm a crusader with GM tactics, and life magic.
If I then, become GM in combat, would I remain a crusader, or become a paladin?


(this in itself should tell 3do to redo this system, why not recive the title of choice, and have both/all benifits, or atleast choose a primary benifit& recive penalties to the secondary benifits)
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Celfious
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posted February 10, 2003 08:12 PM

I asked
Quote:
*When right clicking places a hero has visited, dose the message "youve visited this already" apply to every hero in that particular army??

And I found.

~Learning stone (mouse paused) Message "visited"!!!
~Seperated hero from force. Message "Learning stone"
~I then reunited the hero, and proceeded to the learning stone. She did infact recive her experience.
I feel things like this sometimes did not give the benifit!

I'm still testing other things, but if anyone with map editor feels desire, please do so =)

And continue with awnsers please!
It dosn't take much to disect this game, and this manual will surely grant that.

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Khaelo
Khaelo


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Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2003 10:13 PM

Between H3trio and Portals of Might and Magic, you can find pretty much all the manual stuff plus some.  In particular, you can get all the creature, creature dwelling, and skill info.  Portals has Spell info as well.

Town costs:
Quite frankly, I don't think that this is all that useful.  The dwellings' either/or situation messes up the neat "this town needs lots of this resource" thing from Heroes III.  The wisdom of building this, that, or the other depends on the specific situation and what else you've built/are planning to build.  Since I did compile the figures before realizing this, however, I can post them for you if you really want them.    Not sure how to format that, though.

There are already tables out there for the scoring system (no url on hand, but I've seen 'em floating around), experience points given (http://www.mmportals.com/h4/h4strats1.html), etc.

Finally, some actual information! (rather than just yelling at you for not doing your homework ) Here's the Experience per Level chart:

Level Experience
1 0
2 1,000
3 2,000
4 3,200
5 4,600
6 6,200
7 8,100
8 10,300
9 12,900
10 16,000
11 19,700
12 24,100
13 29,300
14 35,500
15 42,900
16 51,700
17 62,200
18 74,800
19 89,900
20 108,000
21 129,700
22 155,700
23 186,900
24 224,300
25 269,100
26 322,800
27 387,200
28 464,400
29 557,000
30 668,100
31 801,400
32 961,300
33 1,153,100
34 1,383,200
35 1,659,300
36 1,990,600
37 2,388,100
38 2,865,100
39 3,437,500
40 4,124,300
41 4,948,400
42 5,937,300
43 7,123,900
44 8,547,800
45 10,256,400
46 12,306,700
47 14,767,000
48 17,719,300
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Agent00BLeRD
Agent00BLeRD


Adventuring Hero
posted February 11, 2003 02:29 PM

Quick combat can actually be helpful sometimes. Notice, QUICK combat, NOT AUTO combat. Quick combat carries out the battle CALCULATIONS based on the strength of two armies, it doesn't actually perform it. I can't explain it more clearly than by saying that once I attacked a Haven with a Life army and won suffering heavy casualties, because the enemy had archers and ballistae on his towers. I used auto combat, and LOST!!! I used quick combat and lost less than a week's recruits!!! I almost stared at it in awe, and then tried normal combat again. Heavier casualties. Quick combat, only 3 pikemen, this time.

I saved my game...

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Celfious
Celfious


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posted February 12, 2003 11:22 AM

Well, I use QC alot. Cuz my armies to strong to waste time on those stacks..
Anyways. =P

If I can afford to lose a creature or 2, it means I wont.
My basic reason for the questions is "WOuld it take away from experience or anything."
I doubt that it would, but I need verification before I continue using QC all the time.

Thank's Khalao!! If I had more time to show my appritiation I would.
Its very helpful

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