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AzureDragonTM
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posted April 22, 2003 05:12 AM |
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A VERY Serious Problem
I heard today about a thing that made me think twice about some players : how can be possible to make a new version of a map in a middle of a clan war just because the opponent has a good chance to beat u ?? YES it is true : Sacred_Warriors made a new version of his "Plains of Despair" just because his friend Youri was about to loose his game with Camoes because of the ring of greater negation !! So if I will ever make a map I will change it every clan war (in the middle of the war) just to be sure of winning ? Other question for Youri : If the older version of "Plains" is buggy (u can take the ring of greater negation) why he made "Heart of the Winter" the same (yes, u can take the ring from the pyromancer if one of the players is barbarian ) ?
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted April 22, 2003 05:37 AM |
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i see your point but even if youri deletes old map version and replaces with new version, the saved game file will remain the same.. and i dont think anyone can come up with a believable reason for having to delete the save... although if i were camoes and youri is the one who's been hosting, i would get a hold of that save just in case youri doesnt accidentally "lose" it 
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Chudak
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 22, 2003 06:33 AM |
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Hey, Frank, slow down a little bit
You seem to forget that getting that robe and ring is not a "tactic" but a map exploit to begin with. Just becouse it's there doesnt mean it's OK to use it. Just like movement bug in the game itself . If people would agree not to "exploit" the map like this the would be no need for new version. I can understand that it doesnt look very nice to actually upgrade map in the "middle" of clanwar, but dont make a bigger problem out of it then it is.
Personally i had 2 versions 1.5 with the bug and 1.6 w/o and i just asked Riverwind if it's ok to play new one. He didnt mind at all. Infact he did say to me that he is surised nobody fixed it befor. If you wanna think twice about someone then also think about those who refuse to play the game if they cant use the bugs in it.
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Youri
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 22, 2003 07:25 AM |
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Hey Azure, I wonder why you always nose into other people concrens? The ring and robe were an anti-barb-rush measure, and mapmapker never thought they can be taken and used by a player. It is said in script: if pyro is defeated the ring must be taken. If the script does not work, it is a game bug and using it should be considered as cheating. I thought that not using game bugs should not be stated as a clan war rule and was surprised when we had to face it.
P.S. Please tell me why I am going to lose the game to Camoes, the game we never started?
P.P.S. Please tell us how to take ring on Heart of Winter map? I really do not know.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 22, 2003 07:34 AM |
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See Ves you got your flaming & tossing here.
All this time you thought you had to go in heroes 3 to get the flames 
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AzureDragontm
Known Hero
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posted April 22, 2003 08:26 AM |
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Youri we both know it's almost impossible to beat a good order player like Camoes on that map (with ring of greater negation and guardian robe in back pack) so let's stop pretending. Second I'm very puzzled that u don't know how to take the ring from Heart (since the scripts make it available only when one the players started with Might town) so I will explain to u the whole process. First u attack the pyromancer and kill all his troops and retreat. After that u attack him again and this time finish him. He will gave u the ring od greater negation. This is one way to take it. The Teacher told me that are other way to take it too (that one was personally test it). So stop the faerie-tales with buggy-scripts. This is not a bug like the movememnt bug because refers to a map script. I'm very sure it's hard for u to loss to Camoes (who let me tell it's a very good player) but to start a clan war and after that ask Sacred to change the map (because the opponent found out about your so called buggy - scripts) this is much to much. Seems like I must with bacharakis again : the russian comrades must won by any means necesary. We can't beat them on the battlefield, what the hell, let's change the map. And don't give me now that virgin look Youri cause u knew about how can u take the ring of greater negation from Plains (we spoke about that some time ago) and u could have specified that when u started the clan war - no ring of greater negation. And Camoes is right : the new version is a new map, and the war was for the older version of Plains of Despair. So u can gave them the victory and start another clan war on the new map.
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Youri
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 22, 2003 02:40 PM |
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oops...just checked out heart of winter...it is really possible to take ring if opponent is might-aligned...this was an early script and i've forgotten to remove it...thanks
I'll remove the script and send it to toh. I would like to hear any other ways of getting the ring, if someone knows please tell me.
As for plains it is a game bug, the pyro's artifacts should all be removed after he is defeated. Seems like NWC haven't made an event "hero surrenders when facing overwhelming army", which made such horrible (for game balance) things possible.
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camoes
Hired Hero
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posted April 22, 2003 05:16 PM |
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The new map
Hello youri and Interested,
Finally there is new map: “Plains of despair v1.5” (if I’m allowed to call that)!
As I understand, youri´s now can play whit me (?), because he told me that would like to play whit me in new map “Plains of despair v1.5” so he was waiting for this map(even if it wasn’t in TOH map. So, we didn’t start the game only because Youri was waiting for that new map.
Anyway, I’m open to play in this new map, the map as substitute the old map, the one how “favoring” the academy town, in fact, I think the only map in TOH that “favoring” my clan. Can we call “favoring” a Bug!? If is “yes”, we have a problem, because the others map favoring others towns! As I was saying I can play in this new map, but to play in new map we need a new Clan war! Is it correct!?
I sure that Youri´s as a good player only one defeat) and Honorable , don’t will have any difficulty to beat be, in the old map (the map that Gustn and him have choose for the clan war).
Best regards
Camoes
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Chudak
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 22, 2003 07:39 PM |
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Heh, Azure, you seem like a good guy with only one foult (if it is ) you talk a lot. And sometimes you make up your mind about people and then just filter the information so you can see only what you wanna see.
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It is said in script: if pyro is defeated the ring must be taken. The script does not work.
So according to you use it as long as it's there. Let's all use movement bug till thay patch it(just an exemple).
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This is not a bug like the movememnt bug because refers to a map script
It is the same because both where not meant to be and only available by certain combination of moves/keys to go around it.
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the one how “favoring the academy town, in fact, I think the only map in TOH that “favoring my clan. Can we call “favoring a Bug!? If is “yes, we have a problem, because the others map favoring others towns!
This map favours order anyway, cause it's a lot easier to brake thru the pyro with order then anything else.
I realize that i wont change your minds about all that just figureed i whould let others to look at it from a little bit different prospective.
Peace brothers
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Thunder
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted April 22, 2003 07:51 PM |
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Just make those guards colourful. That way the hero won't flee before combat. Defeat script doesn't run if the neutrals flee before combat.
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted April 22, 2003 08:28 PM |
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The retreat bug (getting Ring of Greater negation) on Plains of Despair is definitely a bug, and if someone based their clan war on the fact that you can do this, then shame on them 
As much as some people would like to believe it is a "quest" to get ring of greater negation (lol), I really doubt that is the case
just my 2 cp,
Arangar
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gustn
Hired Hero
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posted April 22, 2003 11:24 PM |
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Well, some people will think that it is a bug, others that it isnt. This is why we have the Honor Council. You are comparing it with the movement bug. Lets say what the HC says about the two things:
Movement Bug:
"As of today, use of the "Extra Hero Movement" bug will be considered cheating. It is amazing that some players would consider such a bug as "fair play" without ever informing their opponent they are using game bugs."
Scripting "Bug" (answered when riverwind sent a mail about it):
"After conferencing with the HC we feel this is a viable tactic for people to use. The map council may soon be changing this map, but until they do this tactic is available to anyone who comes up with the moves for it or simply learns them by playing experience and making saves."
Of course, if HC changes the opinion, we accept and agree that is a bug.
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted April 23, 2003 12:06 AM |
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problem is, clan war had already started, based on the fact that you COULD get the ring. So that is the way it should be played.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 23, 2003 04:27 AM |
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you go camel boy ...
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AzureDragontm
Known Hero
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posted April 23, 2003 09:00 AM |
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Finally, justice has been made
Well done Gustn... I was sure that wasn't a bug... Yes I'm the one who told that the ring was a quest and I'm glad that HC agreed with my oppinion. And I totally agree that they choose this map for the clan war because of the ring and it should be played like this until the end ... go Camoes go ... we can start to bet here : I bet 20 toh points for Camoes
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 23, 2003 09:07 AM |
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I can take that bet Azure, after all, Camoes is an honorable player, he can't possibly win 
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted April 23, 2003 09:09 AM |
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50 for camoes
g'morn my princess azure
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted April 23, 2003 10:31 AM |
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted April 23, 2003 03:32 PM |
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camoes
Hired Hero
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posted April 23, 2003 05:56 PM |
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For the moment i bet, let me see,(1802-1625)=>
39 for camoes
PS: But first we need a game.
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