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Gangrail
Promising
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Dead Man
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posted May 29, 2003 11:21 PM |
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No the remark that was it was let Motor run the site then it will be better, not let Motor help. Motor has helped out before and is welcome to do so again. But Motor will never be the 1 in charge of the site. IF that is what you all want then I can say that will never happen LOL. Nothing against Motor but the fact that MaH is Owned by Kitten/Raven. Motor is free to make tournament Ideas and run them.
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gorman
Promising
Legendary Hero
Been around since before 2003
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posted May 30, 2003 12:07 AM |
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I agree w/Gangrail, don't always blame Kitten, she works hard to do the best to her ability. I strongly doubt that most ppl can do better than what she does.
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When all else fails... Take notes.... ALL the time... ESPECIALLY when playing D&D.... or Pokemon in my case
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lord_crusader
Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
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posted May 30, 2003 12:23 AM |
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I'm not agree with you gorman...
@Gangrail
Edit: Well, I'm wrong here, I can't say anything about kitten in the TOH or MaH, sorry, I just refear to HC...
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted May 30, 2003 01:03 AM |
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hehe i think both gorman and LC are refering to HC, gorman just sucks up to the mods and LC is...well just being himself so dont take to much notice on them concerning MAH issue 
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lord_crusader
Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
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posted May 30, 2003 01:12 AM |
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Thanks for the explain  Sir_Stiven
And sorry for my error
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gorman
Promising
Legendary Hero
Been around since before 2003
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posted May 30, 2003 01:44 AM |
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Yeah, I know how to appreciate the hard work of other ppl when all u do is sit there and toss insults at others!
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When all else fails... Take notes.... ALL the time... ESPECIALLY when playing D&D.... or Pokemon in my case
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted May 30, 2003 02:00 AM |
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ok gorman, and how many TOH/MAH tournaments have you participated in to reach that conclusion?
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Khayman
Promising
Famous Hero
Underachiever
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posted May 30, 2003 02:09 AM |
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Gorman made a general statement about appreciating the hard work of people and did not specifically mention TOH/MAH.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted May 30, 2003 02:14 AM |
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No the remark that was it was let Motor run the site then it will be better, not let Motor help. Motor has helped out before and is welcome to do so again. But Motor will never be the 1 in charge of the site. IF that is what you all want then I can say that will never happen LOL. Nothing against Motor but the fact that MaH is Owned by Kitten/Raven. Motor is free to make tournament Ideas and run them.
I never had such a remark.
I would appreciate if you read posts more carefully before tossing
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted May 30, 2003 02:39 AM |
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Gorman made a general statement about appreciating the hard work of people and did not specifically mention TOH/MAH.
well we were talking about the work of TOH/MAH and that should be the part that us "ungrateful people" doesnt appreciate then?
I simply wanted to know what he based that statement of his on, since gangrail so nicely pointed out that he wasnt sucking up.
And im quite sure you aint his mommy khayman, so let him speak for himself
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Khayman
Promising
Famous Hero
Underachiever
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posted May 30, 2003 03:07 AM |
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Pardon The Interruption
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well we were talking about the work of TOH/MAH and that should be the part that us "ungrateful people" doesnt appreciate then?
I simply wanted to know what he based that statement of his on, since gangrail so nicely pointed out that he wasnt sucking up.
And im quite sure you aint his mommy khayman, so let him speak for himself
Yes, I know you were talking about the work of TOH/MAH. I have been following this topic from the start; however, Gorman made a general statement to which you inferred a specific question, which could be considered 'leading the witness'. "Objection!"
Besides, with all these people having alternate handles and fake names, I may just be his mommy, you never know.
My apologies for interrupting this harmonius thread...please, let the accusations, denials, flaming, and tossing continue.
p.s. "Can't we all just get along?" ~Rodney King
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted May 30, 2003 03:25 AM |
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@gangrail, my post was meant for khayman
@khayman, you watch to many bad american law soap operas
EDIT: Could some mod please delete all off topic posts here later, afterall there are a serious discussion here too
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Kittenangel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted May 30, 2003 07:04 AM |
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no harm no foul in a little tossing but I agree some of these posts need removed and will be soon
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Never wear anything that panics
the cat.
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Khayman
Promising
Famous Hero
Underachiever
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posted May 30, 2003 08:31 AM |
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Serious Thoughts On This Reoccurring Issue
Warning: This is a serious post. This point-of view is from an outsider who has participated in several Heroes tournaments/leagues/seasons since Heroes II. If it offends any of you, well, maybe you need to step back and re-evaluate why you are involved with the game...
First, I fail to understand why there is so much discussion or debate on this topic. If there are players who are unhappy about the way a tournament is being run and they do not wish to contribute to help make it a better place, then they should either go find another tournament or start their own. Why do the tournament coordinators feel the need to entertain the opinions of others whose only contributions are words or criticism without solution. I believe it is everyone's right to criticize; however, along with that criticism there should be a solution or a plan to correct the problem. Open forums are an effective way to communicate, as demonstrated by HC, but they are also a means of creating hostilities and disharmony when not utilized properly, as we have seen here all too often.
Second, from my humble perspective, all the time spent by the coordinators here answering the gripes and complaints of players could be better spent focusing on the tournament instead. Their attention is being diverted by players (some with legitimate concerns, others who just want to create disharmony) who fail to understand that the tournaments are run by volunteers who sacrifice their playing time to provide a haven for you to enjoy the game. There should be a point where the coordinators finally say "Thank you for your input, but this is how things are going to be run while I am doing the coordinating. If you still do not like it, either come aboard and help us make this a better place, or please go somewhere else." You coordinators are much too nice, IMHO.
Finally, you need to take a step back an think about the reason why you do what you do here, whether you are a coordinator, a player, or HC member. IMO, the reason why all of us are here is to be part of something that we enjoy very much, or more easily stated, TO HAVE FUN. If you are not having fun anymore doing whatever it is here that you do, then maybe it is time to step down or take a break so you can re-evaluate your objectives. I see a lot of people around here who have become so wrapped up in things (tournament rules, rank, points) that the tournament and game itself has become a chore instead of fun. Words I live by are "It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game." Therefore, I believe the game should be taken with the intent of why it is played, which is for everyone to enjoy it, get lost in its magic, and for all intents and purposes, TO HAVE FUN.
I hope all of your differences are settled someway, somehow, but if the game does not become better because of all this effort that is being put into these debates and discussions, then perhaps energies need to be focused in other areas. Thank you to all of those who volunteer their time and have made Heroes, this forum, and TOH/MAH a better place for the players and members to enjoy. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you all. As always, respectfully submitted...
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted May 30, 2003 08:35 AM |
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I never said you said that I said it in general. It was said and is what is the opinion of a few here.
So?
So, You actually have not responded to my earlier post, but pretend to have responded?
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Kittenangel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted May 30, 2003 08:43 AM |
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Khay your right in all aspects of that post. seeing as how now I have my RL stuff somewhat situated I now have more time to dedicate to MaH and it's player *who I have to say thank you too for helping keep MaH alive*. I have been working on refreshing some of the pages on MaH and also been doing some brain storming on some new ideas, once I have them all figured out I will toss em out on a page and get some feed back from the players. Hopefully now that we have all said our peace we can now get back to what we enjoy most HEROES 3!!!
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Never wear anything that panics
the cat.
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gorman
Promising
Legendary Hero
Been around since before 2003
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posted May 30, 2003 01:03 PM |
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Gorman made a general statement about appreciating the hard work of people and did not specifically mention TOH/MAH.
well we were talking about the work of TOH/MAH and that should be the part that us "ungrateful people" doesnt appreciate then?
I simply wanted to know what he based that statement of his on, since gangrail so nicely pointed out that he wasnt sucking up.
And im quite sure you aint his mommy khayman, so let him speak for himself
Thank god he's not!
As for playing in tournaments, I'm unable considering that I happened to... ...misplace...my version of HoMM3. Which really upset me, I believe my cousin may have stole it since I never see the little brat in school anymore.
Oh yes, a ? for u Stiven, y, oh Y did u call me a suck up? What did I do to deserve that crude remark about myself? What, in god's name, did I ever do to deserve that? For sticking up for the Mods? If thats y, there r many other ppl that u could b calling "suck ups" instead of this one individual.
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When all else fails... Take notes.... ALL the time... ESPECIALLY when playing D&D.... or Pokemon in my case
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted May 31, 2003 07:04 AM |
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Words from the bird
Well this has certainly been an interesting read. I have been a really bad birdy lately and haven't been keeping regular track of this board so I didn't see this little tidbit until today. I have just in general let everyone down lately and felt the need to 1)own up to it and 2)explain why. Notice I said explain, not make excuses. For the most part there are no excuses, reasons yes, maybe even good ones, but the way I have gone about things has not been the best. But enough wiggling around it, here goes.
First of all to Chubby, the one person that directly called me on the carpet. 1st off you are 100% right about their being a lack of communication and I for one have contributed to that a great deal. I think you have taken my lack of communication personal in some way, and you shouldn't because I have nothing against you being a Coordinator. Never have had. But when you were brought in it was basically to help out Kitten who had a lot of RL stuff on her plate and needed the help keeping her tournaments updated at the time. You came in and helped bail her out. I didn't express thank yous at the time, hopefully you will accept them now. Thank you. If I have seemed to be deliberately not communicating with you, that is simply not the case. To be honest, I haven't been communicating with anyone. In the beginning I used messenger to communicate with Kitten, Motor and Andi. When you first started helping out, I asked if you used any of the different types and either you don't, or I never got an answer because you aren't added anywhere. No blaming there, it was just as much my responsibility to see to it you were on there or if you didn't use it, that I communicated with you in another way. I didn't, my bad, I apologize. But to be really honest in the last 2 months I haven't been communicating with anyone in any way except via email. Anyone who used to talk to me on a regular basis can confirm this. I even quit using all the message boards for the most part, this one and the B@st@rd board where I was/am part of a RPG. I have been... distracted. My country has been at war, I have friends and relatives that are a long way from home and a husband in the military so I have somewhat pulled away from the entire world that I was involved in online. I have dedicated a lot of time to volunteer work to support our troops. I felt the need to do something. Unfortunately this has taken me somewhat from my responsibilities here at MaH. It is also a big part of the reason I have not been communicating. I needed to digest what was going on in the world around me on my own terms and without any interference or input from my online friends, a majority of which are not American and therefore cannot possibly understand the way I have been feeling. I in no way care to discuss this as that was NOT the point. Like I said, I wanted to offer out explanations. I am not offering it as an excuse. There is NO excuse for my behavior except that I was doing what I needed to do for me. I was being selfish.
As for the "3) god only knows where ravyn is or what she has done to help out lately." issue, there you are just plain barking up the wrong damn tree. I do WAY more then you will ever know. I spend a LOT of time doing research into all of these GOD FORSAKEN fake reporting rings we have had to deal with lately. Motor does the busting but I do all the administrative research for him and that takes a lot of time. I also deal with approximately 10-15 emails a day consisting of reporting mistakes, veteran icon retrieval, profile changes, etc. It's not the glamorous get my name out there so everyone knows me work, but someone has to do it and so far that person has been me.
As for tournaments going up and no communication, etc. I won't really take the hit there. Over the past several months I have known I did not have the time, energy or dedication to properly run any new tournaments. That is why I haven't opened any. The only 2 tournaments I have anything to do with is Warlords (which has been really inactive lately) and MapMasters. Motor and I have done a relatively good job with communicating on that one, I think. Although this past month has been worse as my mother spent 10 days in the hospital having surgery so I was even more distracted then normal. As for the other tournaments that have gone up, I really haven't had much to do with them. Maybe that's wrong of me and a bad thing but Kitten and I tend to do things differently and sometimes it just doesn't work for us to really work together. I will try to take a more active role in the tournaments she wants to set up, at least in the setup phases, and will try to be better about including you in any pertinent emails I send out, including all the admin rings I go through, prepare to go blind, LOL.
Now to address Andi's little kick about Admin's wanting to keep all the power, I want to make a tiny clarification. Full administrative power is not ours to give. To my knowledge only Kitten and I are to have admin access and that is at Vesuvius' request and when you get right down to it he "owns" the site, he just lets us run it. This isn't because we just want it. As for Coordinator status the only problem I see here is that although with more minds you get a better variety of ideas which is definitely 100% true. I also find that the more people you have trying to make decisions the harder it is to come to one. I have always been willing to accept input and help on setting things up. He!! I begged for you Andi to help me set up Clans, but you just got left with a bad taste in your mouth, which I understand somewhat, and left. BUT, you were the only one that really had any idea where I was going with it and I just didn't have the energy to pound it through someone else's head, LOL, so I haven't touched it. Bad Birdy. Oh, and for the record, I trust Motorschaaf 100%, have for a very long time and I hope he knows that. I trust you also, that is why I have always valued your input and enjoyed our many long chats back when I actually turned ICQ on. If I ever did anything to make either of you, or chubby for that matter, feel otherwise, I sincerely apologize.
Now enough from me.
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It's not who wins or losses that matters, it's how you play the game. Honor before all else!
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chubby051
Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
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posted May 31, 2003 07:16 AM |
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chubby051@hotmail.com
Hope you catch this in time, i am on at the moment, if you have a minute. MSN Messanger
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chubby051
Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
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posted May 31, 2003 07:22 AM |
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I have to apoligize too. I could have worded that a little bit better. Was not intented to be a low blow. But when i go back and read it, it comes off that way. Sorry about that.
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