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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: Clans: I've got questions, you've got answers
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SapphireRavyn
SapphireRavyn


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posted June 18, 2003 03:50 PM

Clans: I've got questions, you've got answers

Ok, got the rules thing most of the way worked out I think. Now looking at figuring the upgrades and such but there are 2 important things I need to know first!

1)Flux or no Flux?

2)One designated city type per clan or would it be better to have 2 to choose from? Both have their merits which I will discuss after I get some input.
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kuma
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posted June 18, 2003 04:10 PM

my 2,5 cents

No flux and no necro.

2 choices might be a good thing, but I don't think that will be an important issue.
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chubby051
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posted June 18, 2003 04:25 PM

1) No Flux

Why:
1.  Way too strong.
2.  Not everybody has Sod of Complete, will only cause problems
3.  Nobody likes playing against it, so people might avoid playing clans that have conflux as castle, hence hurting the activity of the tournament.
4.  Bottom line it will just hurt more then help.  (as it did with natives, not saying that was the only problem with natives though)

2)

Make it a bonus that a clan can use.  If they want to use another castle, they can do it that way.  Just an idea.

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Attila
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posted June 18, 2003 05:25 PM

Hmmm i agree with them

No FLux just not good people who dont have sod.

2 towns i think that would be good for a certain clan philo or maybe a artifact to buy.  But it not really that important i think cuse clans have always ran pretty good without that 2nd town?
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Divine_Master
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posted June 18, 2003 06:01 PM
Edited By: Divine_Master on 18 Jun 2003

No flux and no necro is fine by me,
but i like 2 have 2-3 castles 2 pick and not just have 1
castle type all season long....
and chub051, i cant agree that flux is way2 strong but if u use necro vs flux i can agree  
It be nice with a bonue (( arts,creeps or just arts or creeps  )


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Kittenangel
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posted June 19, 2003 06:16 AM

No Flux..........count me out
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vesuvius
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posted June 19, 2003 08:22 AM

True that Flux is 'too strong' and should be out.  But there is an alternative; a flux-based philosophy can have weaker starting attributes & upgrades.  If done right, it can be balanced so that Flux is integrated.
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rychenroller
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posted June 19, 2003 09:34 AM

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No Flux..........count me out



since when do you play anyway?
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chubby051
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posted June 19, 2003 09:34 AM

Well, count Kitten out then.  Unless she has enough balls to actually try another Castle type.  

Problem is (imo), Conflux would get a strong head start over the other philo's and even with the weak bonuses I think it would still be hard for others to catch up.

I think we should leave flux out still, the biggest reason being not everybody can play games where it is involved.  Another possible problem that Ravyn brought up when we were chatting the other day, what if we get to finals and one team has conflux and one of the players on the other team doesn't have 3.2 or 4.0?  Then what?  somebody will get screwed if the conflux player refuses to use another castle.  And actually, this goes for any game, not just finals.

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Hexa
Hexa


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posted June 19, 2003 11:12 AM

FLux is a toss..period!@
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 19, 2003 12:06 PM

Quote:
Well, count Kitten out then.  Unless she has enough balls to actually try another Castle type.  

Problem is (imo), Conflux would get a strong head start over the other philo's and even with the weak bonuses I think it would still be hard for others to catch up.

I think we should leave flux out still, the biggest reason being not everybody can play games where it is involved.  Another possible problem that Ravyn brought up when we were chatting the other day, what if we get to finals and one team has conflux and one of the players on the other team doesn't have 3.2 or 4.0?  Then what?  somebody will get screwed if the conflux player refuses to use another castle.  And actually, this goes for any game, not just finals.

word.

learn to play the game instead of making sissy demands kitten

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Motorschaaf
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posted June 19, 2003 01:01 PM

Flux has to be out:

- Too strong

- Not all players are able to pick it. and if there will be an exchange town for this case opponents - if they are clever - would (or better should ) come up with an excuse they gace SOD away or so . and then  the Flux team - im 100% sure - will have played 90% of their games with the Exchange town , which makes us wonder why we call it a flux team

whoever thinks flux is a playable town got no clue. and its not map specific. flux rules and dominates on any map.

with nekro its a different thing. on  random they rule and are a toss - no question.
on fixed maps they are strong but beatable like any other town. ( of course if you are not so dump to pick  Giant War as map ).

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thecastrated
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posted June 19, 2003 01:31 PM

We can keep necro.. mayb just take out the option for ske upgrade?

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SapphireRavyn
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posted June 19, 2003 02:01 PM

Quote:
Vesuvuis
True that Flux is 'too strong' and should be out. But there is an alternative; a flux-based philosophy can have weaker starting attributes & upgrades. If done right, it can be balanced so that Flux is integrated.


I originally thought of doing this, but I can't think of how to do it right, if you can Ves, I would surely appreciate the help and would then MAYBE consider. I would probably post it and seek more input before I made a final decision. Actually any bonus input from you would be appreciated.

Thank you for the input so far. I have some possible setups done and will throw them on a page and post the link here later today so you wonderful people can tell me what ya think. BUT, I think we have pretty well mauled over the flux issue. If you could focus on the issue of 1 or 2 city types for individual clans, that'd be great. Thanks guys and gals! ~ Raven
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divine_Master
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posted June 19, 2003 02:57 PM

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No flux and no necro is fine by me,
but i like 2 have 2-3 castles 2 pick and not just have 1
castle type all season long....
and chub051, i cant agree that flux is way2 strong but if u use necro vs flux i can agree  
It be nice with a bonus (( arts,creeps or just arts or creeps  )


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Attila
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posted June 19, 2003 05:28 PM

i say if people really want flux let them have with no bounses at all but starting with Flux. and random hero. or maybe make them use a native hero.  i personaly thing its fine just 2 use the main 8 towns.  so i say  end the damn season and lets start clans .

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jb239
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posted June 19, 2003 10:21 PM

Flux aint too strong

I think the main issue is that not everyone can use them.
So if you use Conflux, you need an alternate where the person has to choose another town if their opp has regular h3.

Then again, it may make things more confusing and complicated..so in short prolly should leave conflux out. itll lessen the problems.
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Kittenangel
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posted June 20, 2003 05:47 AM
Edited By: Kittenangel on 19 Jun 2003

Quote:

learn to play the game instead of making sissy demands kitten


It was my opinion but oh wait forgot I am admin no opinion for me is allowed
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 20, 2003 02:17 PM

no it wasnt an opinion

it was a "make it my way or i take my ball and go home" buuhuuu

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Attila
Attila


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posted June 20, 2003 04:16 PM

I have to agree with stiven.  But i am not trying 2 be rude to you by saying that.  I think you could have made it seem more like an idea like saying i think it better to have conflux, instead of no flux no me.

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