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Thread: Mega Dragons VS Black Dragons
Dragon_Slayer
Dragon_Slayer


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posted June 29, 2003 04:18 AM

Mega Dragons VS Black Dragons

It has been the topic of much argument between me and my friend "The Hydra". Who is better, Mega Dragons or Black Dragons?
Although Mega Dragons will not be formaly seen untill WoW is released, we have gathered from other sources that mega dragons have 1000 hip points and an attack of 50-100.
I believe that although a 1 on 1 would be easily won by the mega dragons, a real game situation where the mega dragons and black dragons were in an army would be tipped in the Black Dragons favour.

Black Dragons are magic resistant where as mega dragons are not. this means that no damaging spells may be cast on the Black dragons. I have been told many times that this means you cannot cast beneficial spells on Black Dragon and you can on Mega dragons; but seriously, unless you and your opponent do the same, who has time to cast beneficial spells? By the time you cast enough spells to make the mega dragons extreamly strong, the Black Dragons would have gone and attacked the rest of the army and you can easily destroy the enemies hero, perminently stopping any further spells.
Also, if you have lv5 spells you could cast disintegrate and destroy one mega dragon each turn. But on the other hand you could cast bloodlust on the mega dragons, increasing their attack by 20%, but this still does not change my view about Black Dragons being better than meagdragons. I would like to hear other peoples opinions on this topic.

BLACK DRAGONS FOREVER
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Borsuk
Borsuk

Tavern Dweller
posted June 29, 2003 07:42 AM

I don't understand..

I don't understand why there's so much hype around direct damage spells.  Chaos has so many so much better spells (direct damage are only good if armies are small), like Misfortune, Slayer, Cat Reflexes, Bloodlust...

Anyway, as Chaos caster, you don't have much hostile enchantments... But Misfortune should be cast anyway, because it increased damage from spells, too.


In battles Chaos vs Chaos it's clear Megadragons would rule, providing that armies are relatively big. Especially that I prefer to have 2 average sorcerors than 1 godlike - double enchanting time. Chaos vs chaos means no dispel.

First turn - Mass Slayer or Slayer, Bloodlust/Bloodfrenzy.
Second turn - Cat Reflexes, First Strike (not sure if it works against Black Dragons, but helps against other creatures)

With those 3-4 spells on Megadragons should win even if enemy uses Misfortune + Confusion or Misfortune + Distegrate.

Cat Reflexes may not be easy to find, but Slayer and Bloodlust certainly are (single and mass versions).

Megadragon - 50-150, with Slayer -  75-225. Quite impressive spell, don't you think ? Average of 150. For bless,  it would be constant 150, much like Slayer.


But it all depends on situation. Megadragon with Life or Chaos magic should be unbeatable as long as enemy has no dispel/cancelation/steal enchantment.


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Borsuk
Borsuk

Tavern Dweller
posted June 29, 2003 07:43 AM

Wait

Wait ! What about Dragon Strenght being cast on Megadragon ?

2000 Hp, 100-300 damage. *gulp*

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Vlaad
Vlaad


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posted June 29, 2003 07:49 AM

MEGAdragons?! The upgrade of KILOdragons? The can't fly, can they? Well, I won't bother getting WoW for such a rip-off! What an awful idea! What a bad excuse for a dragon! Like, "there was this megadragon in MM series, don't you remember"? NO, we don't! Sounds like a name for an ice-cream, for Mutare's sake!

Ahem.

I think you cannot even compare them to Blackies. It's like which is better - Blackies or Azure, y'know?

Besides, Blackies are the meaning of life.
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Dragon_Slayer
Dragon_Slayer


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posted June 30, 2003 12:30 AM

In response to your opinion 'Borsuk', what would you do if my Hero had order magic and knew dispel? Then every turn would be wasted as I would just remove any beneficial spells you could cast. I would also make it my main objective to destroy your hero, stopping any further spells. Also, as 'Vlaad' has already stated, what kind of a dragon cannot fly? The mega dragon looks like a big green blob with no wings and no fearful looks about him. Black Dragon on the other hand looks scary and is able to fly. Also, Mega dragons are quite hard to obtain as they can only be recieved through quests. They have no dwelling and no structure within a castle. So by the time you manage to find one mega dragon, i would have had at least 3-5 Black dragons.

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Borsuk
Borsuk

Tavern Dweller
posted June 30, 2003 02:43 PM

Megadragon = poor dragon

I agree that whole concept of mega or azure dragons is sick.

Non-flying dragon would be too similar to basilisk.

As stated before, I like to have 2 average sorcerors instead of one butt-kicking. That means Confusion or Cloud Of Confusion every turn, + benefitial spels on Mega.

Megadragon sounds like a name of icecream, indeed. I wouldn't describe it better myself.

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Borsuk
Borsuk

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posted June 30, 2003 02:46 PM

Some good points here

Good point about availab... uh.. access.. nevermind.

I have to admit Black Dragon in H4 is the first dragon in Homm series (starting from h1) which actually does look pretty.

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Dingo
Dingo


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posted July 01, 2003 01:06 AM

Berserk Spell on your megas=hell for you
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Dragon_Slayer
Dragon_Slayer


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posted July 01, 2003 06:58 AM

Hmmm, i was doing somemore research on this issue and realised that Mega Dragons have an Arch Breath(or breathe) attack. This attack is basicly the same as the black dragons breath attack (it goes through multiple enemies), but the attack is larger and curls around at the end. (do you understand this?) So this means that the Mega Dragon can hit more creatures in one shot. Hmmmm, its seems to becomming more clear that Mega Dragons might be better that Black Dragons.inspite of this new discovery i still believe that Black Dragons are better in many other ways.
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nasty
nasty


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castor nebun si orb pe cinste
posted July 03, 2003 07:17 PM

i think that mega dragon will defeat the black dragon ..aswell a large part of your army...although the name is awful...and he looks very usual....but for the azuredragon thats another story...someone put them in the same place with the megadragon...i think  they had a great design...and their specialties were very well made...maybe they should have put back in the game the azure dragon!
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