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Macron1
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posted January 10, 2014 03:29 PM |
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Macron1 said:
Trith said:
So if you've made them for yourself and you are aware that only you'd enjoy playing them, why are you bothering to tell everyone else, on a public forum (which is a place of discussion and critic) about this?
Because i was said my work is useless. I said that if only i am playing in it, than it's not useless. Because work with results cannot be useless by definition.
What's more, when i posted some work-in progress screens, i was attacked by my haters, so i no longer post screenshots. It's what people here wished. So not I to blame for not sharing work (than not yet done 100%).
Trith said:
And they play it few days and they abandon it because they sated their curiosity or just leave them be.
I wonder which is worse. Be disappointed because thing I wanted wasn't released (as soon as I wanted) or be disappointed because this thing turned out to be a piece of snow?
They had no playable results, so their creators could not play even a minute in it:-)
The worse is thing was not released at all.
If there at least something working, it can be modified
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DariusArgent
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 04:37 PM |
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Hobbit said:
BTW, if someone mentioned it - as one of the authors, I want to apologise everyone for low quality of Grove town. We know it sucks, but we were young and stupid. Now I know the only good thing about this town was that there was nothing else by that time.
Grove is actually a great town in concept. It's understandable that it's quality is quite mediocre (the town screen is amazing though, even if the assets used in it are from WC3).
Trith said:
I second it. I'm still truly ashamed that I was so stupid to make such an atrocity. I wonder how hard will I have to work to correct my past mistakes.
Anything can be fixed.  Though as long as you have the time, resources and will sadly.
Trith said:
It does suck. Town screen can be acceptable, yes, but units are snow from several years back. Not even talking about plot for this, that would be too much.
It's like putting 3 years old kid's drawings in serious art gallery.
Well at least you did something. Everyone has to start somewhere.  But I must say that the creature line up doesn't make much sense.
Oh and if Maestro reads this: I wish you all the best in your Echo of Destruction project! I really want to see the Dead City and the Asylum dimension! 
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 04:39 PM |
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DariusArgent said:
Oh and if Maestro reads this: I wish you all the best in your Echo of Destruction project! I really want to see the Dead City and the Asylum dimension!
We all want to see it so much. Thanks from Maestro Team!
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 05:41 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 17:43, 10 Jan 2014.
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Macron1 said:
Don't want - don't eat. Nothing else.
This community isn't only for you. And I can share my opinion about your and others work, no matter what you say.
Macron1 said:
It's not your problem with users, it's problem with you.
You are not only working on your mods, you try to dictate what to do others. It's not a critisizm or proposal what to correct. It's total denial. I think there was something that broke you in life.
Yeah, because everyone who wants something to be a better quality had been broken by something...
"Total denial" can also be a criticism at the same time. I don't like it - I don't play it, and yet I criticize the whole idea because I know sharing my opinion is ALWAYS better than being silent, no matter what kind of opinion it is. I know that because I'm an author myself, and the worst thing that can happen to my work is that no one would give a monkey's about it.
Macron1 said:
Or it's pure jealousy. You worked hard to study 3d etc, and in result some beginning modders release more, than you released in whole life.
"More" doesn't mean "better". I personally believe that "Quantity over quality" is one of the biggest failures of H3 modding and that it made more bad than good.
Macron1 said:
And people play in it, not wait for some future towns maybe released by some great professionals somewhere in time.
I actually see something different - people want to play something of good quality. People still play HotA, people still play Cove and don't even remember about other towns, even though there are many other released projects. Why? Because Cove was well-made, and people like quality stuff.
Macron1 said:
If you are sorry for your work, why you work on modding at all?
So you say that if I'm sorry for some life decisions I made years ago, I should kill myself?
You seem to not accept that there's something you can do wrong, and I'm afraid that won't get you anywhere in modding. See for yourself - no one cares about if you made another town or not. Isn't that a failure?
Macron1 said:
There are some people who critisize "your" Forge. You will be sorry for Forge later?
Maybe. I don't know, it depends on what I'll think about it later. I'm always open to criticizing my work, because I know that's the best way to make it even better.
With that said, I'm already trying to improve these artifacts I made for Forge as much as I can. They were many problems with them, now I think they are at least a bit better, but who knows - we'll see what people say. After all it's them who will play this game, I'm not making these just for myself.
Macron1 said:
If you don't like works of some AC users and try to obstruct them, can you welcome them to contact me through PM here or give them my email?
Your nick is already infamous on AC, so I'm not sure if that's a good idea.
Macron1 said:
Useless is your fruitless existance of consumer.
Your logic is full of crap.
If we say that modding is an art (for me it is), then its viewers can be (and in most cases will be) "fruitless" when it comes to art. When I'm making some drawings and showing them to people (e.g. on dA), most of my audience hadn't made that kind of drawings (or maybe even any kind of art) at all, yet their opinion is something I need a lot.
If we say that modding is a marketing though (for me it is also), then it's actually the same thing - people buy games, software, PCs, houses mostly because they can't make them themselves, and probably they have no idea how to make a good game, a good software etc. It doesn't mean that they're useless though - it'saudience, it's those people who I'm making all this for. Without them my work would be USELESS.
And no, there's no such thing as "Don't like it - don't play it". If I got only praises, I probably wouldn't improve my work much no matter how bad it would be. And THAT's what I'm calling fruitless.
Macron1 said:
What's more, when i posted some work-in progress screens, i was attacked by my haters, so i no longer post screenshots. It's what people here wished.
One thing is that calling people who criticize stuff "haters" is just ridiculous, but... Why the hell do you think that criticizing someone means wishing for not sharing work? Ffs, if someone doesn't like your hairstyle, it doesn't mean you have to be bald! In fact that would actually make you look like you failed and gave up, offended because someone didn't like something you made. Sorry, life isn't all good - critiques are made for improvement, not for anger.
If you want to be a modder, you have to be tough. I think I can say that as I've been a modder for about 6 or 7 years.
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Storm-Giant said:
But modding can't start with AAA quality work.
Like Trith said, Cove would be a better start - and beta of Cove was released in less than year after Grove. But because of Grove (and, sadly, later because of VCMI) people thought that they can do anything no matter what quality would it be and everyone would praise it.
A good example of why Grove did a lot of bad is second project of Polish Forge led by Manigoldo and Modern Forge. Both projects were about to be "as good as Grove", and everytime someone criticized something about these towns, their authors responded "But Grove is also ugly". It's "And you are lynching Negroes" kind of logic, yes, but still - it's our fault that we encouraged them with such low quality stuff.
DariusAgent said:
Grove is actually a great town in concept. It's understandable that it's quality is quite mediocre
After all this years if today someone asked me about helping him with making purple town of night elves from WC3, I'd answer "No".
DariusAgent said:
I wish you all the best in your Echo of Destruction project! I really want to see the Dead City and the Asylum dimension!
Second that.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 07:18 PM |
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Hobbit said:
If you want to be a modder, you have to be tough. I think I can say that as I've been a modder for about 6 or 7 years.
I am tough. Everyone else already would have to give up after so many critics based on nothing
I think I can say i'm on modding about 9-10 mounths. So you are trying to say, that I must make only things similar to your 7 years practise?
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 07:20 PM |
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Perhaps if you will be modding for 1-2 years more, you will understand.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 07:29 PM |
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Macron1 said:
Everyone else already would have to give up after so many critics based on nothing
To assume that any critiques are based on nothing is not the thing an author should do. One who tries to avoid the critiques makes a fool of themself.
Orzie said:
Perhaps if you will be modding for 1-2 years more, you will understand.
Exactly.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 07:58 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Exactly.
Will see. I'm not a person easy throwing out my ideology.
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DariusArgent
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 10:54 PM |
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Hobbit said:
After all this years if today someone asked me about helping him with making purple town of night elves from WC3, I'd answer "No".
Doesn't have to be a Night elves ripoff concept. It could be something like the Sylvan from Heroes 5 with purple and green colors.
Satyrs are perfect for 1st level unit, dryads and druids are fine too. The rest are out of place though, especially the basilisk riders and the spider priestess.
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SolidCyrus
Hired Hero
aka Cyrus Annihilator
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posted January 14, 2014 09:48 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Like Trith said, Cove would be a better start - and beta of Cove was released in less than year after Grove. But because of Grove (and, sadly, later because of VCMI) people thought that they can do anything no matter what quality would it be and everyone would praise it.
A good example of why Grove did a lot of bad is second project of Polish Forge led by Manigoldo and Modern Forge. Both projects were about to be "as good as Grove", and everytime someone criticized something about these towns, their authors responded "But Grove is also ugly". It's "And you are lynching Negroes" kind of logic, yes, but still - it's our fault that we encouraged them with such low quality stuff.
You made good a point, but I don't see much harm made by the Grove town.
My questions are:
*The presence of lower-quality towns (like Grove) decreases the ammount of higher-quality towns (like Cove)?
*The authors of those lower-quality were (by that time) capable of creating something better? Was nieznany able to make sprites like Alex-ander?
*Do you thing skilled artists/modders get unmotivated with the presence of low-quality projects?
Players praised Grove because they were longing for anything new to play. After the releasing of several high-quality towns, the avarage ones won't get much attention.
Low quality towns will show up eventually, but the high quality projects (like Cove, Cathedral, Bastion, Forge) will excel above them. It doesn't matter if people will create four different Forge towns, the best one will overcome the others. (and better the second best project may also provide good and usefull sutff/ideas)
Btw, I'm a huge fan of your work guys. Please keep it up!
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