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Sandro400
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Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 03:12 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
I am actually not the guy who just tries to spot similarities in lore/art/style between different games/universes, but some of them are quite obvious to me.
They are created by drinking someone's blood, in Warhammer's case it is from Lich, in Heroes case, Liches are drinking Namtaru's blood. Vampire Knights are fairly common, sure, but to be this similar in look? Liches from H5 and Vampires from H6 look very very close to ones from Warhammer, and we already know that H5 Dark Elves are basically completely ripped off from Warhammer so you can defend it all you want.
But you're doing quite that...
Hell, in many instances Vampire is created from bat's blood or from another vampire. They ripped off WH too?
Erm, "this simlar"? A sword, an armor, white hair... It's common vampire knight!
H5 DE are ripped in visuals mostly, on that I can agree. But I said it so many times - if something looks similar, it doesn't mean that A ripped off from B.
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Dave_Jame
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Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 13, 2014 03:16 PM |
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Taken the re-used trend in H7, and dual champion choice, It's an possibility that the necro Champions might be Namtaru/spider form and Namtaru/Human form.
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Sandro400
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Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 03:19 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Edit.. Back on topic
Taken the Re-used trend in H7, and dual champion choice, It is option that necro Champion migh be Namtaru/spider form and Namtaru/Human form.
Please, NO. It will be nearly a suicide doing two Champion Natmarus when you have Undead dragons, Wraiths, Dread Knights...
P.S. I personally think of Namtaru as warfare unit. Maybe even Necro's ballista (in H6 trailer, it was able to destroy castle gates).
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 13, 2014 03:20 PM |
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What, are you kidding?  Splitting a boring unit into 2 more boring units, that's really unimaginative. I believe Limbic won't be that stupid
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 13, 2014 03:26 PM |
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It's just an option that crossed my mind, not an option I would like. But if so, we should prepare for such an option.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 03:33 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
RMZ1989 said:
I am actually not the guy who just tries to spot similarities in lore/art/style between different games/universes, but some of them are quite obvious to me.
They are created by drinking someone's blood, in Warhammer's case it is from Lich, in Heroes case, Liches are drinking Namtaru's blood. Vampire Knights are fairly common, sure, but to be this similar in look? Liches from H5 and Vampires from H6 look very very close to ones from Warhammer, and we already know that H5 Dark Elves are basically completely ripped off from Warhammer so you can defend it all you want.
But you're doing quite that...
Hell, in many instances Vampire is created from bat's blood or from another vampire. They ripped off WH too?
Erm, "this simlar"? A sword, an armor, white hair... It's common vampire knight!
H5 DE are ripped in visuals mostly, on that I can agree. But I said it so many times - if something looks similar, it doesn't mean that A ripped off from B.
Oh Vampires are created by another Vampire, or from Bat's blood that they are connected to? How shocking! Point is, they aren't created by Vampires or Bat's Blood, they are created by some beings that their only similarity with Vampires is them probably being Undead too.
You are defending Vampire knight but completely ignoring the fact that Liches looks the same as Lich Nagash.
When they have ripped off Dark Elves from Warhammer already, I think that probability of ripping off something else is very high.
And if something looks similar, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is ripped off, but it definitely alludes to that more than on something else.
Just because some things are ripped it doesn't mean that they are bad(at least they aren't for me) as I am more of an gameplay freak than lore freak. I am not saying how these things are bad, they won't make me enjoy Heroes less, so in that regard I am not attacking Heroes or Ubi or Limbic or whoever. But they certainly look very similar to me.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 13, 2014 03:57 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
And if memory serves me right, there was Nagash in H3... does it mean something? No.
Nagash is obviously a tribute to the Warhammer version.
Same with Malekith (comics) and all the Final Fantasy names.
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 04:28 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Oh Vampires are created by another Vampire, or from Bat's blood that they are connected to? How shocking! Point is, they aren't created by Vampires or Bat's Blood, they are created by some beings that their only similarity with Vampires is them probably being Undead too.
You are defending Vampire knight but completely ignoring the fact that Liches looks the same as Lich Nagash.
When they have ripped off Dark Elves from Warhammer already, I think that probability of ripping off something else is very high.
Point is, concept of Vampire's creation through blood is very old. What changes is what blodd is used.
First, visual similiraties are very personal. Where one sees similar, another sees completely different things  Second, Sauron from 2nd Hobbit looks like Kha-Beleth. Does that mean that Jackson plays Heroes? I doubt so.
On the following I agree.
Avirosb said:
Sandro400 said:
And if memory serves me right, there was Nagash in H3... does it mean something? No.
Nagash is obviously a tribute to the Warhammer version.
Same with Malekith (comics) and all the Final Fantasy names.
Tribute and ripping off are 2 different things Or else we can say that H5 is a big tribute to WH 
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Avirosb
Promising
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posted October 13, 2014 04:52 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Tribute and ripping off are 2 different things Or else we can say that H5 is a big tribute to WH
Would you say Nagash is a rip-off?
Aside from fluff text he's not really much of a character.
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Where one sees similar, another sees completely different things Second, Sauron from 2nd Hobbit looks like Kha-Beleth.
Or the other way around, Kha-Beleth strikes me as a red, more talkative version of Sauron from Peter Jackson's 'Fellowship of the Rings'.
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 05:12 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Would you say Nagash is a rip-off?
Aside from fluff text he's not really much of a character.
Or the other way around, Kha-Beleth strikes me as a red, more talkative version of Sauron from Peter Jackson's 'Fellowship of the Rings'.
No, as I said to you, tribute and rip-off are two different things.
And Sauron strikes me as medieval version of Darth Vader... wanna continue? 
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Avirosb
Promising
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posted October 13, 2014 05:14 PM |
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Let's. *Ahem* Vader is based on the archetypal black knight.
Your serve 
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 05:30 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Let's. *Ahem* Vader is based on the archetypal black knight.
Your serve
And black knight is based on corrupted normal knight, which is common in legends and stories.
Your turn
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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 05:41 PM |
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 Well, Uh...
Normal knights are basically glorified warriors?
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Sorts
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 05:44 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Same with Malekith (comics) and all the Final Fantasy names.
I think the ironic thing with Malekith is that his name is a tribute to a dark elven character, while the H3 Malekith is a Minotaur
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Sandro400
Promising
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Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 05:46 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Well, Uh...
Normal knights are basically glorified warriors?
Yeah, and they're typical for Medieval Europe, glorified concept being based on religion.
Well... we can end on this note
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Aurarius
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 13, 2014 07:28 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Sandro400 said:
Tribute and ripping off are 2 different things Or else we can say that H5 is a big tribute to WH
Would you say Nagash is a rip-off?
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Where one sees similar, another sees completely different things
Nagash himself was no new invention of GW either, he was inspired by Nephren-Ka from the Haunter of the Dark by Lovecraft.
Point is, when one argues how one fantastic unit was inspired/adapted/stolen, one is bound to find similarities with other myths. Vampires exist in hundreds of iterations in nearly every mythology of the world, so there are plenty of different ways to become one ( the most common being grave desecration). Blood as a way to become a vampire was coined by Anne Rice's Interview with a Vampire in popular fiction (and later popularized by the roleplaying game Vampire: The Masquerade). As of this, I find the way Ubisoft handles their vampires (popular elements, but with their own significant note, like the venom element) interesting, if not appealing (if their blood is indeed that venomous, why do they resort to swords?)
Also, please be merciful, English is not my first language and I just try to discover how to post
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jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted October 13, 2014 08:56 PM |
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Aurarius said:
Nagash himself was no new invention of GW either, he was inspired by Nephren-Ka from the Haunter of the Dark by Lovecraft.
Point is, when one argues how one fantastic unit was inspired/adapted/stolen, one is bound to find similarities with other myths. Vampires exist in hundreds of iterations in nearly every mythology of the world, so there are plenty of different ways to become one ( the most common being grave desecration). Blood as a way to become a vampire was coined by Anne Rice's Interview with a Vampire in popular fiction (and later popularized by the roleplaying game Vampire: The Masquerade). As of this, I find the way Ubisoft handles their vampires (popular elements, but with their own significant note, like the venom element) interesting, if not appealing (if their blood is indeed that venomous, why do they resort to swords?)
Also, please be merciful, English is not my first language and I just try to discover how to post
English may not be your first language, but your reading comprehension and ability to express yourself seem excellent.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted October 24, 2014 01:04 PM |
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Edited by Danny at 13:05, 24 Oct 2014.
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So I guess the most likely scenario is that aside from the obvious Skeleton/Ghost/Lich/Vampire quartet, the Ghoul gets carried over, the Lamassu and Fate Weaver get replaced by at least one of Wight and Bone Dragon and we get 1 or 2 new units...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 24, 2014 01:08 PM |
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Hard to tell. Though I do hope strongly for a skeletal Lich and the Black/Dread Knight at least.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 24, 2014 01:12 PM |
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My favorite Lich look is Pious Augustus.
Skeletal, yet not quite skeleton.
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