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Storm-Giant
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posted September 11, 2014 10:44 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Wellplay said:
Necropolis always had snowty tier 7 unit but strong tier 6 unit its almost like a rule for necropolis 
Not in H6, where Fate Spinners were actually terrifying Champions and we don't have Tier 6 units anymore, so tradition has changed and should stay that way. 
Hear, hear!
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 11, 2014 10:44 PM |
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Bone Dragon has -1 to enemy morale, not very interesting, but still good enough to carry them around if you have the dwelling and some gold to spare.
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RMZ1989
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posted September 11, 2014 11:10 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Bone Dragon has -1 to enemy morale, not very interesting, but still good enough to carry them around if you have the dwelling and some gold to spare.
And then you realize that Inferno's tier 5 units has -3 moral to adjacent units... Yeah, it is not affecting the whole battlefield, but the fact that Nightmares can attack on the first turn and be adjacent to 2-3 enemy units and reduce their moral by 3, the chances that they will "skip" their turn is a lot higher than from 1 moral reduction.
Not saying that Spectral/Ghost Dragons are useless, they obviously aren't and both have some nice combos with other Necro units but they just aren't as good as other champions.
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 11, 2014 11:15 PM |
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And in HV they were expensive like hell. The extra +1 growth building too
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Wellplay
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posted September 11, 2014 11:23 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 23:25, 11 Sep 2014.
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Storm-Giant said:
And in HV they were expensive like hell. The extra +1 growth building too
but still weaker than any other tier 7 unit
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Nocturnal
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posted September 12, 2014 12:32 AM |
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Wellplay said:
Storm-Giant said:
And in HV they were expensive like hell. The extra +1 growth building too
but still weaker than any other tier 7 unit
That's why, unlike other champions, they had an "Extra +1 growth building" aka Dragon Tombstone
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RMZ1989
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posted September 12, 2014 12:51 AM |
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Nocturnal said:
Wellplay said:
Storm-Giant said:
And in HV they were expensive like hell. The extra +1 growth building too
but still weaker than any other tier 7 unit
That's why, unlike other champions, they had an "Extra +1 growth building" aka Dragon Tombstone
In theory yes you will have them more than other tier 7 units, in practice no, you won't have enough resources to get them early, and enemy might have his champions even few weeks before you.
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red_flag
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posted September 17, 2014 03:09 PM |
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Edited by red_flag at 15:12, 17 Sep 2014.
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 17, 2014 03:14 PM |
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Skeletons back to hand-to-hand combat, maybe?
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LizardWarrior
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posted September 17, 2014 03:23 PM |
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maybe it's DoC recycled artwork, it's a carbon copy of h6 as you said. And please don't tell me that green fest is back 
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Fauch
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posted September 17, 2014 03:32 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Even upgraded, when we get to the abilities:
Archangel - Resurrection
Titan - Shooter and can cast lighting
Archdevil - Resurrects Pit Lords from corpses of dead Demons
Spectral Dragon - reduces moral by 1 and casts weakness on attack, YEY...
And that is not even mentioning that stat line, where a lot of the Tier 6 units in the game could go easily 1 on 1 vs. Bone/Spectral Dragons. :/
well, archdevil's ability may be even worse, you hardly ever use it, but archdemon has a good one (he just has too little range without speed boosts)
wraith and pit lord beat a spectral dragon (but by that comparison, the magma dragon also sucks lol), not sure other level 6 stand a chance... maybe rakshasa rajas.
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Stormcaller
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posted September 21, 2014 03:12 AM |
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I agree with OP that Necropolis simply lacks that horror/undead feel they should have about them. Necropolis in H6 suffered too much from same old recycled design, with the exception of Fateweaver. Although Spider Queens are not unheard of in rpg fantasy games.
Here's a couple of images from " Bloodborne " (- upcoming spiritual successor of Demon-Dark Souls series ) that would portray undead quite well in my opinion and add some new flavour.
Undead beast like this for example?
This could be potentially a redesigned ghoul? Making it look much more bestial.
Wanted perhaps a fresh change for Skeletons or a new unit completely? How about these guys.
New liches ( albeit a male version )
Or something alongside this?
Apologies if images are too big.
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DarkLord
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posted September 21, 2014 04:53 AM |
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i think Necromancers should look more evil
as we must have a proper evil faction in H7 especially if inferno loses voting to dungeon
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
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posted September 22, 2014 08:42 AM |
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DarkLord said:
...especially if inferno loses voting to dungeon
Amen to that!
As for Necro, we undead faction lovers wouldn't want a poll about possible lineups, like the Sylvan one, would we?
I mean, it's good to have the opp to choose but look at the clash of opinions and the "war" going on regarding Sylvan...
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RMZ1989
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posted September 22, 2014 10:14 AM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 10:23, 22 Sep 2014.
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EPICUSDOOMICUS said:
DarkLord said:
...especially if inferno loses voting to dungeon
Amen to that!
As for Necro, we undead faction lovers wouldn't want a poll about possible lineups, like the Sylvan one, would we?
I mean, it's good to have the opp to choose but look at the clash of opinions and the "war" going on regarding Sylvan...
Marzhin said that there won't be any poll for Stronghold and I expect for Necro to be the same.
@Stormcaller
I am not overly impressed by those Undead creatures(they are all great and pictures are great for sure, but I've seen something like that before), except for the last guy.
Now, that is amazing Undead, it looks like some sort of Undead Werewolf or something, and we could finally see Werewolf in Necropolis that many people were talking about.
Fauch said:
RMZ1989 said:
Even upgraded, when we get to the abilities:
Archangel - Resurrection
Titan - Shooter and can cast lighting
Archdevil - Resurrects Pit Lords from corpses of dead Demons
Spectral Dragon - reduces moral by 1 and casts weakness on attack, YEY...
And that is not even mentioning that stat line, where a lot of the Tier 6 units in the game could go easily 1 on 1 vs. Bone/Spectral Dragons. :/
well, archdevil's ability may be even worse, you hardly ever use it, but archdemon has a good one (he just has too little range without speed boosts)
wraith and pit lord beat a spectral dragon (but by that comparison, the magma dragon also sucks lol), not sure other level 6 stand a chance... maybe rakshasa rajas.
You hardly ever used ability that is so strong, what? 
I've seen it being used many times, and majority of times people are picking Archdevils instead of Archdemons(even though I love Archdemons more) because you need that extra movement speed and initiative in Inferno, because it is rush faction. On the contrary, even though I agree that Archdemons are great, I've hardly see anyone using them and when they use them I've never seen their ability used really effectively.
Some of your 5 fragile units will die anyway and I don't see the reason why you shouldn't be summoning the Pit Lords.
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Steyn
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posted September 22, 2014 11:48 AM |
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Especially with that gating hero in dual mode. You could gate an additional stack of archdevils, resulting in three stacks of pit lords!
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moonshade
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posted September 23, 2014 09:55 AM |
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My Necro line-up...
First, I'm all into Lizard Warrior's (if I remember correctly) idea that Necro this time should be EVIL again, and perhaps represent Sandro's Void forces rather than the Spider Cult. Alternately, they could still be the Cult of Asha- but be a proper doomsday appocalyptic cult bent on killing and converting everybody into the undead while fostering all manner of psychopaths and evil opportunists as leaders- kinda like the real-world ISIS. We don't want balance, we want DEATH. I also think the Dungeon (which should be chosen over Inferno, at least for the vanilla game) should be more evil, so this way we have 2 "good" factions (Haven and Sylvan), 2 "neutral" ones (Academy and Stronghold) and 2 "evil" ones (Necropolis and Dungeon). Expansions could add Fortress, Sacntuary and Inferno.
So, for the actual Necro line-up:
Core
1. Skeletal Warrior / Undying Warrior
2. Husk / Mummy (a ranged unit, spewing insects)
3. Hungry Shade / Void Shade (a more bad-ass form of ghost)
Elite
1. Vampire / Nosferatu (hideous, seemingly-sexless Vampires, a-la H3 and the Strain)
2. Lich / Power Lich (proper, SKELETAL Liches)
3. Maiden of Sorrows / Banshee (a flier with an area attack)
Champion
1. Rot Dragon / Blood Dragon (for variety's sake: a zombified Dragon upgraded into a vampiric Dragon, life drain included!)
OR Spectral Dragon / Void Dragon, if we go with the Void theme idea.
2. Dread Reaper / Soul Reaper (a Wraith on an undead horse, upgrade is armored- think LoTR's Nazgul, but armed with scythes)
Warfare units could include Zombies (a "cannon fodder" unit, even weaker than Core- perhaps summonable/raisable by Liches), Crypt Guards (live humans affiliated with the death cults, with a "Deathlover" ability allowing them to serve with undead without losing morale and perhaps offering immunity against stuff like Death Ripple), Tomb Spiders (a "spider" construct made out of bones, attacking with its sharpened legs) and Flesh Golems- the last two emphasizing the Necromancers' nature as a sub-sect of Wizards and their unethical experiments with the bodies of the dead.
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lokdron
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posted September 23, 2014 10:09 PM |
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Still I hope the fate weaver comes back even Kha-Beleth wanted one.
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Stormcaller
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posted September 23, 2014 10:17 PM |
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If wraiths do return, they should go back being a core unit. They suck as elites and their abilities suck as well.
A properly remodelled Death Knight would serve the purpose well. Make the more rotten, give them rusty spears/swords and a rusty armor or something.
Both Lamasu and Wraith suck balls.
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
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posted September 23, 2014 10:21 PM |
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As for Lamassu, I couldn't agree more. It really sucked...
But regarding the wraiths...mmmmmmmmmmmm...I was ok with the H5 ones.
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