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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: wtf Sandro is cheating!
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted April 29, 2015 08:18 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 20:19, 29 Apr 2015.

wtf Thant is cheating!

Strange battle here. Crag has 3 spell power but his expert slow is "magically" dispelled by some evil entity same round. Playing Crag Hack campaign, look at this battle. Thant opponent.


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husham123
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posted April 29, 2015 08:26 PM
Edited by husham123 at 15:58, 30 Apr 2015.

Simply unusual
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 29, 2015 08:32 PM

Isn't that the new Era version you are testing? Maybe it's a bug from there

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Salamandre
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posted April 29, 2015 08:34 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 20:41, 29 Apr 2015.

yes is new era but I already played 5 campaigns in it without any problem. The skeleton stacks, when moving, are dispelling any mass spell, even if Thant casts shield, it is removed one turn later when skels move. On the other side, if I cast mass haste, it stays. So obviously the bug removes any spell on thant side.

First time I see such thing.

PS: husham, can you remove your junk post please?
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markmasters
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posted April 29, 2015 10:00 PM

Playing this game for dunno how many years and still seeing weird stuff haha

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bloodsucker
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posted April 29, 2015 10:53 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 22:54, 29 Apr 2015.

If there was a way of automatically casting dispel every turn in SoD, we would have heard about it before, don't you think?
It looks to me like it has to be some after WoG code.

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Salamandre
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posted April 29, 2015 11:07 PM

Nope, no scripts are activated except interface and quick saves. This is sod mod. Tested in era 2.46 and got same result.

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Ghost
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posted April 30, 2015 04:30 AM
Edited by Ghost at 15:10, 30 Apr 2015.

I've "almost" forgotten events in RoE and rare in SoD. I had not cared until I managed myself to AI. I don't know why I had researched how One artifact was sometimes the same events But there wasn't! I never seen in WoG
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Sav
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posted April 30, 2015 09:50 AM

Salamandre said:
Nope, no scripts are activated except interface and quick saves. This is sod mod. Tested in era 2.46 and got same result.

Even with all options disabled WoG (and especially Era as it based on TE which has many hardconed changes in gameplay and it may be not so easy to find and remove them all) still do many changes in original game code. This changes may cause bugs or contain undocumented features, so if this bug never appeared before in pure SoD, it is most probably WoG/Era bug.

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Salamandre
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posted April 30, 2015 11:16 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 11:21, 30 Apr 2015.

Well sure, but after so many years, one could think that such big bug was already reported, but there is no where, first time I see.

Do you have a list of hardcoded changes in TE?

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Sav
Sav


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posted April 30, 2015 03:16 PM

Salamandre said:
Do you have a list of hardcoded changes in TE?

No, this is the main problem. I think, lack of such list is the main cause some of changes may be not removed.

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husham123
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posted April 30, 2015 03:56 PM

It is awkward...
It didn't happen to me
Homewer, I guess it is pretty... Just unusual
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Salamandre
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posted April 30, 2015 04:12 PM

I know about Jeddite and Nagash hardcoded new specialties. Which I reseted in SoD mod. There is also hardcoded graphic for hero screen, a few areas, which I didn't know where to reset. Other than that, never noticed anything strange. Until today.
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potmdehex
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posted May 01, 2015 05:06 AM
Edited by potmdehex at 05:16, 01 May 2015.

Salamandre said:
I know about Jeddite and Nagash hardcoded new specialties. Which I reseted in SoD mod. There is also hardcoded graphic for hero screen, a few areas, which I didn't know where to reset. Other than that, never noticed anything strange. Until today.

Not directly related, but another example of an internal hardcoded change between SoD and WoG/ERA is that the latter has changes in .h3m loading, even for RoE/AB/SoD formats. Some changes are internally, nothing to do with WoG/ERA content.

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Salamandre
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posted May 01, 2015 04:30 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 16:30, 01 May 2015.

That's weird. I tested same battle under exactly same conditions on custom map, bug doesn't occur. On the other side, I started SoD Sandro campaign (under ERA), and as soon as I cast mass slow, is dispelled next move.

To be able to state is 100% campaign bug, I quickly made a campaign then started under same conditions, bug didn't occur.  ()

So for me, bug is related to original campaigns played under era edition. No clue how this could be solved.
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husham123
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posted May 01, 2015 08:35 PM

Watched the video again, and again, and again... THIS ISN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN !

Anyways, human only can cheat, AI can't. I think is a sort of bug, or maybe the map some plugins or something ?
Was that one of your maps ?
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Salamandre
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posted May 01, 2015 08:38 PM

Yes, 20 years go I worked for 3DO (Three Dumb Owls) and I designed campaigns for SoD (Suck One Donut).

And now they bug
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husham123
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posted May 01, 2015 08:43 PM

Well, that seems SoD
I only saw maps for WoG/ERA in your Scenarious.
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Ghost
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posted May 01, 2015 09:57 PM

Salamandre and Husman are old mapmaker soo my In The Land of Nod and Mystery Tour are big bug. I can't add on other maps because they aren't here! I know I've played dispelled slow
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Salamandre
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posted May 02, 2015 10:56 PM

I found the trigger for the bug: if the AI hero has dispel, all mass spells vanish as soon as his army moves.

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