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Ash-NIR
Known Hero
the Black Warlock
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posted July 06, 2001 09:45 PM |
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Poll Question:
Heroes
Many heroes are creatures themselves (ie: most overlords are minotaurs or troglodytes) shouldn't they have any special abilities like the actual creatures?
for example you should not be able to "blind" a troglodyte hero, or a genie hero should cast one free (low level) spell at the begining of the fight...
just an idea but I'd like to see your opinion
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"ana:l nathrakh, u:rth va:s bethud, dokhje:l djenve"
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Murphy
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
banned
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posted July 06, 2001 11:50 PM |
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good idea! That would be really cool...
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Ash-NIR
Known Hero
the Black Warlock
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posted July 07, 2001 12:53 AM |
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Request:
After voting please explain why...
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"ana:l nathrakh, u:rth va:s bethud, dokhje:l djenve"
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LadyLily
Known Hero
The Iron Maiden
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posted July 07, 2001 02:16 AM |
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Hmm...
Well, I don't know. I mean, it seems like for some of these special abilities the hero would have to fight. Don't get me wrong, I love both ideas, but that would change the game dynamics drastically. Well, maybe not that much.....but still some.
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LordPaul
Promising
Famous Hero
Crazy Bat Guy.
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posted July 07, 2001 02:16 AM |
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Don't most Heroes already have a special anyway? Shakti (a Troglodyte) gets more power with Troglodytes. Just read their bio's and it explains why they have their powers and why they are what they are. I prefer the specials the way they are now.
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LadyLily
Known Hero
The Iron Maiden
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posted July 07, 2001 02:20 AM |
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Hmm....maybe you should explain your idea more Ash-NIR.
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-LadyLily
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Black_Lord
Hired Hero
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posted July 07, 2001 03:39 AM |
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This would be great but it is problematic.
Fisrt of all It will add to the game and I think to the good.
But the problem is that a genie should be able to cast at low level (at least air magics) but the fact that troglodytes can't be blinded doesn't mean that a pikeman lead by a troglodyte hero should be unblindable.
Therefor if making it logicly likr that it will enstrengh the magicians and creating a situation that everyone with more then 27.8 IQ will choose the genie of efreet ect. unless he realy wants the warrior.
Also to what LordPaul said that each hero has his own specialty - it is not a problem - the fact that as a genie I can naturaly cast at low rate doesn't mean I can't highly practice the magic of haste or fly or genies combat and by that enstrengh them.
Therefor unless they can find a solution for the warriors I am against cause althow it will add to the game it will be unfair.
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Black magic is the most powerful.
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Ash-NIR
Known Hero
the Black Warlock
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posted July 07, 2001 03:55 AM |
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Quote:
Don't most Heroes already have a special anyway? Shakti (a Troglodyte) gets more power with Troglodytes. Just read their bio's and it explains why they have their powers and why they are what they are. I prefer the specials the way they are now.
I was not talking about Speciality here just the natural abilities of some races (types of creatures) Specialities are a totaly different thing and should be unique to the heroes...
btw: when i'm talking about spell casting, it should be really low-level stuff (like one unit bless) not major spells (like armageddon or implosion)
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"ana:l nathrakh, u:rth va:s bethud, dokhje:l djenve"
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arachnid
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted July 07, 2001 12:57 PM |
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i total agree great idea. Since heroes are fighting i think there should be more variation between them like size (tiny trogman) and keeping the creatures special. Id love to have a little lucky git of a halfling leading my army! They should also look like there type of creature in the battle (hmm not sure how a genie rides a horse anyway maybe someone could explain that)
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Ash-NIR
Known Hero
the Black Warlock
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posted July 07, 2001 05:18 PM |
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i total agree great idea. Since heroes are fighting i think there should be more variation between them like size (tiny trogman) and keeping the creatures special. Id love to have a little lucky git of a halfling leading my army!
that is a great issue but it should be that way with creatures and heroes alike
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They should also look like there type of creature in the battle (hmm not sure how a genie rides a horse anyway maybe someone could explain that)
c'mon I'm sure the genies can turn that "wind-tail" into legs so that they can ride a horse (they do ride horses in HoMM3)
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Baal
Known Hero
Pure Mage
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posted July 07, 2001 05:30 PM |
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as a matter of fact every hero will have its own specialities and special attack, just like creatures.
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Ash-NIR
Known Hero
the Black Warlock
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posted July 07, 2001 05:34 PM |
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as a matter of fact every hero will have its own specialities and special attack, just like creatures.
YEAAAHHHH!!! at last some good news
...eh, is that sure?
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ozzyosbourne
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
Riddler of the Sky
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posted July 08, 2001 12:04 AM |
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ok, i voted... and good idea, to me that sounds like it would work out in the game.. and for a suggestion, for a Necroh heroe, they should be able to set a spell raising 10 skeletons on the battlefield, and put them anywhere on the field.. or maybe could curse the other heroe....
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Melf
Known Hero
Bearer of Light
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posted July 09, 2001 03:03 AM |
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Good idea, but I don't know how will that work. For example, let's say that minotaur heroes will always have good morale, that's ok. But what advantages will knights, rangers... have, what bonuses??
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Melf,The Acid Arrow
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Ash-NIR
Known Hero
the Black Warlock
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posted July 09, 2001 05:28 AM |
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Good idea, but I don't know how will that work. For example, let's say that minotaur heroes will always have good morale, that's ok. But what advantages will knights, rangers... have, what bonuses??
well, I guess those guys at NWC think something fast 
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted July 09, 2001 06:48 AM |
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I vote for the choice that heroes should have innate special abilities. This idea may not be good for h3 but it would be feasible in h4 coz heroes now can fight on their own.
BTW, I don't think genie heroes need horses. What they need is ........... FLYING CARPET. 
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Melf
Known Hero
Bearer of Light
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posted July 10, 2001 02:30 AM |
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(quote) well, I guess those guys at NWC think something fast (quote)
I hope so, I really do.
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Melf,The Acid Arrow
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Spidermage
Tavern Dweller
the hermit
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posted July 10, 2001 05:20 PM |
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Since heroes will be able to fight, I think your idea is feasible, although I would not want to see those "racial" abilities passed on to the rest of the army a hero is travelling with. On the other hand, a hero will still be able to cast spells on the units in battle, and (presumably)the combined effects of artifacts carried by all heroes in an army will affect all units. (This brings up another question: if one hero has, say, the necklace of swiftness, and there is another hero in the same army, will the second hero's battle stats be affected by the necklace?) I would also like to see a greater variety of races used as heroes. If a troglodyte or a gnoll can be a hero, why not a naga or a centaur? I think the two ideas combined would make for more diversity among heroes, which seems to be what 3DO is trying to accomplish with its revamping of the skills system.
Moderator's note:This topic has been closed, as it refers to an older version of the game. To discuss Heroes 3, please go to [url=http://heroescommunity.com/forumdisplay.php3?FID=6]Library Of Enlightenment[/url], to discuss Heroes 4, please go to [url=http://heroescommunity.com/forumdisplay.php3?FID=17]War Room Of Axeoth[/url].
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