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Corribus
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posted December 01, 2011 04:13 PM |
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Dilemma #14
You are the principle of a high school. One day, a local reporter breaks a news story that one of your male English teachers starred in several homosexual pornography movies just a year ago, at the same time he was working as a teacher in a different school district. The teacher was fired from that job prior to being hired by your school because his "alternate employment" had been discovered. The teacher is not currently active in the film business and is allegedly very much liked by his students and the other faculty at your school (at least, prior to the news story breaking out).
Do you fire this employee?
(Based on a real story.)
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posted December 01, 2011 04:26 PM |
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I think something similar has been up before. Anyway, as the article suggests: "many say he should be allowed to teach because his didn’t do anything illegal."
I would even go so far to say that as long as what he did doesn't disqualify him from his profession, then I don't really see the problem. My guess it's not to do with him being homo/bisexual, but doing it in movies, and I imagine it wouldn't have mattered if it was a heterosexual porn movie.
I do find standings like these: "sound moral character" to be a bit absurd. In my opinion the school is not supposed to raise the children, so they're not about teaching moral standards at all. They are at most to present different viewpoints and arguments and then let their kids decide.
So I wouldn't have fired the teacher.
Edit: No matter if he was still doing movies or not. I wonder if this also implies that former criminals can't be teachers either.
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posted December 01, 2011 04:36 PM |
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Edited by Vlaad at 17:15, 01 Dec 2011.
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Lies! All lies! Oh, it's somebody else. *ahem*Quote:
Do you fire this employee?
Wait, you mean it's not defined by law? Yeah, I work with him so that he quits on his own, gets good recommendations and looks for work elsewhere.
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(Based on a real story.)
Hehehe, it seems the mother liked what she saw.
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posted December 01, 2011 04:43 PM |
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Edited by Vlaad at 16:44, 01 Dec 2011.
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posted December 01, 2011 04:58 PM |
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Dilemma #14
You are the principle of a high school. One day, a local reporter breaks a news story that one of your male English teachers starred in several homosexual pornography movies just a year ago, at the same time he was working as a teacher in a different school district. The teacher was fired from that job prior to being hired by your school because his "alternate employment" had been discovered. The teacher is not currently active in the film business and is allegedly very much liked by his students and the other faculty at your school (at least, prior to the news story breaking out).
Do you fire this employee?
(Based on a real story.)
No. For a few reasons
1) Unless I have evidence to prove otherwise, the reporter's story is hearsay. Being told the reporter has found records is not good enough for me. Even if he had evidence...
2) I do not have grounds to terminate him at my school. There is nothing mentioned of disciplinary actions against him or previous allegations of misconduct, so I would have no grounds to terminate him. As far as I'm concerned, in my employment, he is a good employee.
2) The children like him and it is difficult to find teachers students appreciate it. Additionally, the faculty like him. Whether or not that will be the case after the story breaks, is irrelevant. They can deal with it. If they are stupid enough to complain about someone's past to me and confront that person about it, then we will have a fun chat about the need for sensitivity training.
4) On a more pragmatic level, it is not worth the inevitable law suit that would most likely cost the school district thousands if not millions of dollars and result in my forced resignation.
Sadly, as the principal, I am most likely going to end up resigning anyways. If I were to fire the teacher, the school district faces a nasty lawsuit and I'm out for that. If I do not fire him, people will complain to the school board and most likely demand my resignation, which I would do with a hefty buy out.
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posted December 01, 2011 05:10 PM |
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Good post. Nothing to add for me.
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Corribus
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posted December 01, 2011 05:15 PM |
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If I may play devil's advocate for a moment:
(1) He was already fired by another school.
(2) Students and teachers liked him prior to the story leaking. The allegation that the teacher is a porn star (and only one year ago) will be too much of a distraction for the teacher to be effective at his job. Therefore he needs to go.
Note I'm not really make any kind of moral argument here.
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posted December 01, 2011 05:46 PM |
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No. Seems ridiculous to fire him for something silly like that. Porn star is just another job, I don't see how it would have an effect on his teaching.
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posted December 01, 2011 05:48 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 18:01, 01 Dec 2011.
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well, since it's something he does (or did) outside of school, I can't blame it, unless he invites students to take part with him. 
or that would mean that doing porn is kinda like condemning yourself for the future? it's a very high price to pay.
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posted December 01, 2011 05:49 PM |
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And a high price to pay, too.
If you can't have a proper job after licking toilets on camera for money in this world, then I'm not sure this the kind of world I want to live in.
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posted December 01, 2011 06:18 PM |
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Everybody deserves a chance to make up for their mistakes. He's not taking kids out for extracurricular activities or anything so why should anybody care?
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Corribus
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posted December 01, 2011 06:54 PM |
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so why should anybody care?
They should care if a teacher's past (whatever it is) interferes with his ability to teach. That's not a moral argument - it's a practical one.
Imagine for a second you're a typical high school student, and all that entails. Would you honestly be able to take anything seriously your teacher said if it was well known (or believed) that he was a porn star?
When I think about the way *I* was in high school, and the way *most* students were... I can't help but think it would have been really hard to sit in a class with a straight face with a teacher who less than a year ago was making those kinds of movies.
I'm not saying that's necessarily grounds to fire him. I'm just offering it up as something to think about from a practical sense.
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posted December 01, 2011 07:21 PM |
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They should care if a teacher's past (whatever it is) interferes with his ability to teach
it doesn't interfere with his abilities. it simply interferes with the way other people judge his own abilities. he will not suddenly become a worse teacher because everyone learnt about what he did.
thinking about it, how come only one dude seems to know about what he did? then there might be a way to protect the reputation of the teacher. though that's very hard, it's the kind of information that can propagate itself at lightning speed. I have a friend who was in a similar situation, and it seems there's just nothing you can do. the whole world will know about it and you just can't stop it.
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posted December 01, 2011 07:34 PM |
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Actually Corribus I believe students appreciate if a teacher or an authority figure has a 'wilder' side, it gives them the impression that they are more then just about 'work'. (i have a soft-spot for Berlusconi). I had a gay teacher who visited 'gentleman's clubs' nobody thought less of him for it.  (parhaps the people who notified me thought gentleman's clubs were gay bars, in which case, I see. He was fired for punching a kid though, shame, he was a good teacher.  )
Since said person isn't participating in any porn movies at present (and for a while i guess) I see no reason why it should interfere with teaching, as I said, if said persons private past should become widespread, I dare-say it would be a boost to the teachers popularity among the students, but that's mostly due to slight-immaturity
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posted December 01, 2011 07:36 PM |
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so why should anybody care?
They should care if a teacher's past (whatever it is) interferes with his ability to teach. That's not a moral argument - it's a practical one.
Imagine for a second you're a typical high school student, and all that entails. Would you honestly be able to take anything seriously your teacher said if it was well known (or believed) that he was a porn star?
When I think about the way *I* was in high school, and the way *most* students were... I can't help but think it would have been really hard to sit in a class with a straight face with a teacher who less than a year ago was making those kinds of movies.
I'm not saying that's necessarily grounds to fire him. I'm just offering it up as something to think about from a practical sense.
Ah, come on. After that would be general knowledge, there would simply follow the most interesting q&a class of all times.
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posted December 01, 2011 07:42 PM |
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When I think about the way *I* was in high school, and the way *most* students were... I can't help but think it would have been really hard to sit in a class with a straight face with a teacher who less than a year ago was making those kinds of movies.
I'm not saying that's necessarily grounds to fire him. I'm just offering it up as something to think about from a practical sense.
If you keep him teaching normally, the kids would get bored of it after maybe a month of snickers at most. Teens don't always have the greatest attention span nor do they lack the intelligence to think the exact same thing repeated many times is boring.
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posted December 01, 2011 08:53 PM |
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Until he do nothing what deserve firing I don't think he must be fired. If he ended the 'film-making' or whatever you english-speakers call that activity (casting I think?) then there is no reason to punish the teacher again... And what Tsar said has wisdom and truth.
And fire someone because of something he used to do? Just think about it: Must you be fired because you, for example, were once a pornstar? Don't think so... And not even you will think so.
This isn't a moral dilemma afterall!
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posted December 01, 2011 10:53 PM |
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If you keep him teaching normally, the kids would get bored of it after maybe a month of snickers at most. Teens don't always have the greatest attention span nor do they lack the intelligence to think the exact same thing repeated many times is boring.
Trust me, this. We do just become apathetic to everything... but a month is rather long. A week, tops, then maybe one or two more snarky comments that everyone rolls their eyes at.
The problem would be the parents who think the teacher would "Turn their kids gay" ............................ >_< Can I get a herp derp?
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posted December 02, 2011 01:41 PM |
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Grey said. “...I am a daughter. I am a sister.
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posted December 02, 2011 08:38 PM |
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If I may play devil's advocate for a moment:
(1) He was already fired by another school.
They should care if a teacher's past (whatever it is) interferes with his ability to teach. That's not a moral argument - it's a practical one.
As far as your post says, he wasn't fired because his being a porn star interfered with his teaching ability. It was only because it was discovered. So what they (the first school) did was ridiculous and if the second school also fires him because his porn past is discovered and takes the first school's firing him because his porn past was discovered as a support to their action, it would be even more ridiculous than the first school's doing so.
I wouldn't fire him. But I would be fired for not firing him I guess. That part depends on the country. But I wouldn't fire him whatever. And what could someone who fires such a person tell him? "We fire you because you were a porn star one year ago but no longer do that job."
And I also wouldn't care if he was still doing that job. Everyone has sex. His is just watched by people.
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